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It's unlikely, but if Nate pulled guard and dragged Conor down, would that count as a takedown?
 
MidgardSerpent said:
It's unlikely, but if Nate pulled guard and dragged Conor down, would that count as a takedown?
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this may or may not help -- so the answer to this is: whatever fightmetric says (cause 5d explicitly says it's their stat)

the reason i bring this up is:

in mcgregor vs brandao, brandao went for a clinch TD and conor landed on top.. so if that registers as a td, than yes. if not, no

http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/1e603e6aa6d1a750

and the verdict is....conor 1/1

that help?
 
R1 more then 40 sign strikes landed 1.85

I guess this is a good one
 
Sham5916910 said:
Considering Silva and Latifi are both -200 Silva is def safer play IMO. Villante can bang and its at LHW pretty sure one of them gets knocked out. Most the board are on Latifi but im still not sold on Latifi. Its a hard fight to call IMO.

How do we feel Holm line moves? I have Holm closing a £500 parlay so i can hedge now with Miesha @ +290 and guarantee myself approx £300 or so profit. But is Holm going to become a bigger fav? The lines barely moved.
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Always hard to say especially when no one wishes to lose ££ but imo I would stick with holm, her first title defense she will probably work enough each round with her superior striking and avoid any clinches or ground game. Tates defence in past fights go down hill when she gets tagged cleanly its her will and heart that pushes through to get the win and holly has good cardio and worse yet accurate striking just not good news for tate I reckon. As was said by one of the regulars hollys split a while back was silly and should have been a clear decision too.


Am not sold fully on latifi, he looked small and scared of Jan not so long ago and villante has good solid leg kicks also, guess most are considering latifi tank like body and his ability to close the gap is excellent and no doubt he probably gets a r1 ko again but villante is a lot better then the last 2-3 guys he beat.
 
EzFlyer said:
this may or may not help -- so the answer to this is: whatever fightmetric says (cause 5d explicitly says it's their stat)

the reason i bring this up is:

in mcgregor vs brandao, brandao went for a clinch TD and conor landed on top.. so if that registers as a td, than yes. if not, no

http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/1e603e6aa6d1a750

and the verdict is....conor 1/1

that help?
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It does. I think the crux is that pulling guard would make Nate land on the bottom and therefore wouldn't count as a takedown, unless he pulls off some insane scramble mid-air and lands on top.
 
MidgardSerpent said:
It does. I think the crux is that pulling guard would make Nate land on the bottom and therefore wouldn't count as a takedown, unless he pulls off some insane scramble mid-air and lands on top.
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yea, it's a gray area sometimes when guys bail on a td and end on bottom.. sometimes it can be considered a td, sometimes not?
 
EzFlyer said:
yea, it's a gray area sometimes when guys bail on a td and end on bottom.. sometimes it can be considered a td, sometimes not?
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FightMetric is kind of weird, but to be fair you'd have to dig a little deeper to see if landing on top in a failed td counts. In the Brandao fight, that was a reversal into takedown. In amateur wrestling that would count as a takedown just as it did in the fight.
 
Would nate pulling guard count as a TD for McG?

EDIT: It does not. In gegard vs leites, the stats are 0 TD's.
 
Joseph Budden said:
FightMetric is kind of weird, but to be fair you'd have to dig a little deeper to see if landing on top in a failed td counts. In the Brandao fight, that was a reversal into takedown. In amateur wrestling that would count as a takedown just as it did in the fight.
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yea do some digging. but don't let yourself be 100% convinced -- some "td's" could go either way, and it all depends on how fightmetric grades it

cagebrain said:
Would nate pulling guard count as a TD for McG?
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read the last few posts, hehe
 
EzFlyer said:
i can't get a read on the td's prop. just can't. i think conor is clearly the better wrestler (cause nate's wrestling is terrible). but he's -265. that said, he's unlikely to for any... it easily could push at 0-0, hehe.

i agree w/the general sentiments about the O86.5 strikes being decent. arguably better than O2.5 rounds at a similar price. cause likely doesn't need 2.5 rounds to hit.

getting nervous on that "no glove touch" prop.. conor does it a lot... it's more about diaz not doing it...
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does Conor have a 2.65 or better chance than nate of getting more TD's? Bet Mcg. Or does Conor have a 1.85 or worse chance than nate of more td's? Bet Diaz.

If you cant get an estimaton read, I guess dont bet, I just strongly feel Conor has way less than a 2.65 chance of getting more TD's than nate. So i bet nate at +265.
 
Ukram said:
Always hard to say especially when no one wishes to lose ££ but imo I would stick with holm, her first title defense she will probably work enough each round with her superior striking and avoid any clinches or ground game. Tates defence in past fights go down hill when she gets tagged cleanly its her will and heart that pushes through to get the win and holly has good cardio and worse yet accurate striking just not good news for tate I reckon. As was said by one of the regulars hollys split a while back was silly and should have been a clear decision too.


Am not sold fully on latifi, he looked small and scared of Jan not so long ago and villante has good solid leg kicks also, guess most are considering latifi tank like body and his ability to close the gap is excellent and no doubt he probably gets a r1 ko again but villante is a lot better then the last 2-3 guys he beat.
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Yeah i might just hold out and lb Tate if im getting worried.
 
R1 total strikes landed over 35 pays the same as sign strikes r1 over 45 @1.85, I thought that they would be reversed

Euro bookie
 
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^^^ yea, no bet for me

Wow Conor was steeper? Nate was +265?
 
Few other wild thoughts:

I do like Shevchenko also, decent cardio as others mentioned she did not even need to focus on her main skill set of striking in her ufc debut, but here are her credentials:

What ranks and titles have you held? World Championship Titles (17-Time World Muay Thai and K1 Champion). Master of Sport International Class in Muay Thai, Master of Sport in Boxing (Russian Amateur National Champion), Kickboxing, Taekwondo and Judo.

Reckon elkins and skelly screams live betting also, both evenly matched and elkins maybe coming in on better form if skellys camp changes are true.

Siyar needs a W here to keep his job and he has some heavy hands, but very long lay off against thatch is going to be difficult, do like a ko prop flyer though.

Like miranda over marcelo also, vitor just the better over all skill set fighter and striker he should be able to tag marcelo who can be a bit wild and leave himself open to counters.

Do like some flyers perhaps on villante decision, sanchez decision just in case ;)
 
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