UFC 205 PBP/Discussion

[Cptn1NSAN0]

Oh my god @Joseph Budden that prediction vid guy who always loses had 10u on Wonderboy to be the next champ and hedged it with 10u on Woodley KO. Both lost. Brutal

that zeesmma guy? damn that sucks. I had a really bad feeling about that fight being a trap

 

[SBJJ]

yea i just disagree, and i had a huge bet at big odds on wonderboy.. that's a clear 10-8 for me in rd 4. he almost ko'd him on feet, and then SOOOOOO close on the sub for a LONG time, and wb did nothing on top in that last minute, it was by far the closest two points of the whole fight to a stoppage and worthy of 10-8

I'm not saying what u or I or anyone in this forum thinks is a 10-8. I'm talking about the normality of what most judges seem to think is a 10-8. And in that regard I was very surprised that 3 Judges gave a 10-8 in that fight. in all seriousness as a judge I would have scored rd 4 a 10-8. BUT I also would have scored mcgoat-Eddie rd 1 a 10-7. I'm being 100% serious.

Bottom line, I was fairly surprised that rd 4 was scored 10-8 by 2 judges when u factor in the way judges have historically been so greedy on handing them out.

Also, Khabib should have been up 30-22

 

[SBJJ]

^^Yeah guys I'll admit I'm more stingy with 10-8's maybe than most. My feeling is that if a guy can turn it around and finish the round strong that matters. And WB did. Rewatch teh last minute EZ. He didn't "do nothing". He actually landed one really good, clean, flush punch square on Woodley's face. Plus some other less consequential gnp. Maybe I shouldn't look at it that way, but I do. If a guy has a good first 90 seconds but then gets wrecked I'm good with a 10-8. But if it's the other way around, I lean 10-9 since the guy finished the round strong.

I look at it this way. IF I WAS A JUDGE, if WB did not turn it around at the end of the round I'd probably have scored it 10-7. But with WB making a slight comeback I'd score it 10-8

 

[null]

I look at it this way. IF I WAS A JUDGE, if WB did not turn it around at the end of the round I'd probably have scored it 10-7. But with WB making a slight comeback I'd score it 10-8

Has there even been a 10-7 round awarded in any UFC fight this year? They are so rarely used.

 

[SBJJ]

Has there even been a 10-7 round awarded in any UFC fight this year? They are so rarely used.

Think there has been a few. But there should be more

 

[mkess101]

^^^Yep always a level of subjectivity. None of us are right or wrong, we just view it a little differently.

 

[LEMONZEST]

Think there has been a few. But there should be more

Its so severe tho. that means 1 bad round and you literally cant win a decision.

 

[SBJJ]

Its so severe tho. that means 1 bad round and you literally cant win a decision.

Should be that way. If a guy nearly kills a guy in round 1. But then the other guy lands 4 or 5 strikes the next 2 rounds. The guy who nearly kills the guy in round 1 should still win

And a 10-7 would not be a bad round. It would be utter domination

 

[BatBoyJG]

Just rewatched Woodley Vs Thompson. Round 4 is absolutely a 10-8 for Woodley no question about it. He dropped Wonderboy twice, buckled his knees once in the clinch and had that guillotine. Draw was the right call, but I'd rather give the next fight to Maia. How I look at it is Wonderboy didn't go out in that 5th round and earn the rematch.

 

[plekz]

and had that guillotine

end result was still him jumping guard on that guillontine attempt, and giving up position since he didn't get it. so that really shouldn't be valued that highly, considering he gave up posibility for dominant position on the ground for more then 70 seconds when he went for it. so no, do not agree that it's a 10 - 8

in that case the 4th between gustafsson and jones is a clear as day 10 - 8 aswell, considering the elbow that hit gustafsson had him reeling around inside the cage like he was drunk.

 

[MMA Goodfella]

Should be that way. If a guy nearly kills a guy in round 1. But then the other guy lands 4 or 5 strikes the next 2 rounds. The guy who nearly kills the guy in round 1 should still win

And a 10-7 would not be a bad round. It would be utter domination

In my mind, a 10-7 round would be Glover Texiera / Fabio Maldonado or Frankie Edgar / Gray Maynard in the first round of their fights.

I would entertain the idea of a 10-8 round for Wonderboy and Woodley r4, but upon first time seeing it I believe it to be a very decisive 10-9. The reason that I say this is because Wonderboy had clearly won the first 2 1/2 minutes of that round before getting tagged and then he ended the round on top and even landed a few punches with like 90 seconds left. But devils advocate could make the case that it was a 10-8 round given that Big Dan was about 0.5 seconds and 3 cm away from putting his hands on Woodley and calling off the dogs — and that doesn't even take into account the fact Wonderboy had to rely on a rubber neck to pop out of the deepest guillotine I've ever seen someone survive. Specifically survive having been rocked and their oxygen level already depleted and heart rate through the roof.

Nevertheless, I'm not opposed to that flight being a draw.

 

[MMA Goodfella]

Never had a bigger sigh of relief ever.

The heartbreaking feeling of severe loss and then just bursting into laughter moments later. God that was good. I fucking love MMA.

'member Slimer? Yeah I 'member! 'member Chewbacca? Yeah I 'member! You 'memba when Bruce Buffer didn't dress like a douchebag and new how to read a scorecard correctly? Yeah I 'member!

 

[plekz]

out of the deepest guillotine

i think you are severly overrating how deep it was, it was deep initially, but then you can see woodley's leg's start sliding almost imedietly after. you shouldn't be judging it based on how much woodley is pulling with his arms, or how much rogan is shouting.

he also said mj has exellent takedown defense, and 2 seconds later he was on the ground getting pounded on, he then repeated it in the edgar vs stephens fight, and 2 seconds later jeremy was on the ground. rogan is like pillpoppin pete at every event he calls.

 

[SBJJ]

i think you are severly overrating how deep it was, it was deep initially, but then you can see woodley's leg's start sliding almost imedietly after. you shouldn't be judging it based on how much woodley is pulling with his arms, or how much rogan is shouting.

he also said mj has exellent takedown defense, and 2 seconds later he was on the ground getting pounded on, he then repeated it in the edgar vs stephens fight, and 2 seconds later jeremy was on the ground. rogan is like pillpoppin pete at every event he calls.

Yea man. Me and my buddies were at times just screaming at the TV for Rogan to just shut the fuck up.

 

[SBJJ]

Just rewatched Woodley Vs Thompson. Round 4 is absolutely a 10-8 for Woodley no question about it. He dropped Wonderboy twice, buckled his knees once in the clinch and had that guillotine. Draw was the right call, but I'd rather give the next fight to Maia. How I look at it is Wonderboy didn't go out in that 5th round and earn the rematch.

But it comes down to consistency in judging. And u are not a judge. Don't get me wrong, you'd be a better judge then most active judges probably. But while I was watching the fight. I didn't look at it as do I give it a 10-8. I was looking at it as did the judges. And it really surprised me that 2 gave it to wood 10-8.

And the fact is. If u score that round 10-8. U really have to score rd 1 10-7 for Mcgregor. Because Eddie literally did nothing but get beat up and dropped 3 times. He had no offense at all

 

[BatBoyJG]

end result was still him jumping guard on that guillontine attempt, and giving up position since he didn't get it. so that really shouldn't be valued that highly, considering he gave up posibility for dominant position on the ground for more then 70 seconds when he went for it. so no, do not agree that it's a 10 - 8

in that case the 4th between gustafsson and jones is a clear as day 10 - 8 aswell, considering the elbow that hit gustafsson had him reeling around inside the cage like he was drunk.

You don't value a submission because Twood gave up position? What effect does that have on the submission itself? The position that they ended up in has no effect on the fact that Twood almost finished him with it. Saying a near finishing submission shouldn't be valued is ludicrous. Wonderboy got his head out with exactly 1 minute left in the round, was not in dominant position (Guard) and didn't land any effective strikes. Woodley dominated both the striking and grappling in the round overall that equals a 10-8.

But it comes down to consistency in judging. And u are not a judge. Don't get me wrong, you'd be a better judge then most active judges probably. But while I was watching the fight. I didn't look at it as do I give it a 10-8. I was looking at it as did the judges. And it really surprised me that 2 gave it to wood 10-8.

And the fact is. If u score that round 10-8. U really have to score rd 1 10-7 for Mcgregor. Because Eddie literally did nothing but get beat up and dropped 3 times. He had no offense at all

1st round for Conor was nearly a 10-7. The reason I wouldn't score it that is that Eddie really had his wits about him on all 3 really, and one of the "knockdowns" was more of a stumble. While Conor was dominate I still feel Woodley did more damage to Wonderboy then Conor did to Alvarez.

 

[SBJJ]

But at least WB had moments in round 4. Even having Wood in a bad spot. Eddie did nothing, it was like watching a man beat up a child. I think it would be unfair to score those 2 rounds the same

Crazy how easily Conor dominated Eddie

 

[bruthead]

Fun event to attend, The Garden definitely feels more special than the MGM for big fights, even though the MGM has a lot of history itself now.

There was a fan in my section with his own UFC belt who I was taking the piss out of to my friends. Saw this belt seemingly getting passed around and getting quite a long way away from the original place and wondering if the guy would get it back. Eventually realised there were three of them in my section alone. Grown men buying these things? LOL.

Thought the draw was the fair result, couldn't believe Wonderboy made it out of R4, shame his corner (I presume) didn't tell him he needed a finish in R5 which I had at +3300.

Small profit on the night almost entirely due to Romero R3 +2000.

Poor effort from Eddie. He shouldn't have been leading the striking and giving McGoat opportunities to counter. Especially after R1 when it nearly cost him. Surely it was obvious you want to take McGoat into the later rounds and need to limit his counter-punching.

Roll on Kovalev-Ward next week and a slight comedown the week after...Billy Joe Saunders-Artur Akakov in Cardiff.

 

[quincy k]

But it comes down to consistency in judging. And u are not a judge. Don't get me wrong, you'd be a better judge then most active judges probably. But while I was watching the fight. I didn't look at it as do I give it a 10-8. I was looking at it as did the judges. And it really surprised me that 2 gave it to wood 10-8.

And the fact is. If u score that round 10-8. U really have to score rd 1 10-7 for Mcgregor. Because Eddie literally did nothing but get beat up and dropped 3 times. He had no offense at all

okay, but if you score 10-7 for mcgregor round 1, because eddie did nothing, then you can make a case for 10-8 round 1 for woodley, because statistically wonderboy did nothing but land 1 single punch while absorbing 45

http://www.ufcespanol.com/event/ufc-205

i lb tyronne in round 5 and dont have a problem with the draw but to read a few people now so 100 percent convinced that they thought that their thompson bet shouldve cashed, the same people that were in all likelihood severly doubting their bets in round 1 and 4, its a case of dangerous ego(im not saying that this is you).

i know its a five round fight and each round is judges accordingly but if i did not watch the fight and woke up and saw the fightmetrics i wouldve presumed that wonderboy lost, and possibly badly, as he lost pretty much every single signifgant fight metric from octagon control to connect percentage.

 

[quincy k]

You don't value a submission because Twood gave up position? What effect does that have on the submission itself? The position that they ended up in has no effect on the fact that Twood almost finished him with it. Saying a near finishing submission shouldn't be valued is ludicrous. Wonderboy got his head out with exactly 1 minute left in the round, was not in dominant position (Guard) and didn't land any effective strikes. Woodley dominated both the striking and grappling in the round overall that equals a 10-8.



1st round for Conor was nearly a 10-7. The reason I wouldn't score it that is that Eddie really had his wits about him on all 3 really, and one of the "knockdowns" was more of a stumble. While Conor was dominate I still feel Woodley did more damage to Wonderboy then Conor did to Alvarez.

the hollbrook sub attempts are probably the reason why ramsey lost to andrew in what many viewed as a robbery


http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/23a75c0338d25abc