UFN 105 - Lewis vs Browne - Halifax

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No, I do not have as low of body fat % as Lombard. Not even close, but if I did, I'd be at least 180 lbs. I just don't think 5'9" 182 lbs is huge. Again, that's being around powerlifting and olympic lifting though. I also think a lot of lightweights have said they can walk around that big.
Hm okay, i'll guess I have to take your word for it. All I can say is that a lot of people underestimate how much of their mass is actually fat and not muscle, it becomes very apparent when you go below 10% BF.
 
The funny thing is that if you'd go and talk to some of the stronger powerlifters in the S+C forum, they'd say 5'9" 182 lbs is small.
Well yeah, if you're on gear it could be considered small. I would imagine the strongest dudes are on gear.
 
Ofc not, im talking about the combination of weighing 200 lbs on a 5'9 frame while having low body fat %. Not many people can maintain that kind of mass sub 10% BF.

He's a professional athlete, with proper dieticians. It should be easy for him.


Even for the normal guy, its pretty easy with the right diet, weightlifting regiment. Hell you can have a shit diet and still be lean as fuck if you eat less calories than your body needs but keep up the weightlifting.
 
He's a professional athlete, with proper dieticians. It should be easy for him.


Even for the normal guy, its pretty easy with the right diet, weightlifting regiment. Hell you can have a shit diet and still be lean as fuck if you eat less calories than your body needs but keep up the weightlifting.
Agree to disagree :)
 
Well yeah, if you're on gear it could be considered small. I would imagine the strongest dudes are on gear.

Some powerlifters arent, but most are short and fat as fuck. Yeah theyre muscled underneath the blubber but thats not aesthetically pleasing to me. 100% of olympic powerlifters are juicing though. To get to the upper echelon, youre juicing.
 
Some powerlifters arent, but most are short and fat as fuck. Yeah theyre muscled underneath the blubber but thats not aesthetically pleasing to me. 100% of olympic powerlifters are juicing though. To get to the upper echelon, youre juicing.

Gone are the days of most powerlifters being fat. A lot of that was geared lifters. Even in the upper divisions most are going to be pretty cut now. Look up Dan Green, Jesse Norris, Pete Rubish, etc. When you get into the lower divisions, look up guys like Kyle Keough or Richard Hawthorne.
 
Just found that Lombard's walk around weight used to be 202 lbs according to Dolce when they started working together. http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/4/2...ector-lombard-can-make-170-but-final-decision

I'd just be surprised if he didn't have a bit of a cut.

That's pre-USADA

Its not bs though, its fact. Heck im sub 15% and dont work out nearly enough whilst eating like a pig. Its actually quite easy.

You're misunderstanding my point. Yes it's very easy to cut below 10% for any person alive. However, it's very hard to maintain a very big amount of muscle mass while having a low BF%. If you're juicing you can do this without much issue but if you're not the body will get rid of a lot of muscle mass in the process.
 
Gone are the days of most powerlifters being fat. A lot of that was geared lifters. Even in the upper divisions most are going to be pretty cut now. Look up Dan Green, Jesse Norris, Pete Rubish, etc. When you get into the lower divisions, look up guys like Kyle Keough or Richard Hawthorne.

I think they have to be if theyre cmpeting in weight classes now, fat desnt help much. But I still think a majority of professional powerlifters or those that comete are on the juice. Casual arent but theyre not nearly as strong. But then there are genetic freaks with the juice like Lu Xiaojun putting up wtf numbers.
 
That's pre-USADA



You're misunderstanding my point. Yes it's very easy to cut below 10% for any person alive. However, it's very hard to maintain a very big amount of muscle mass while having a low BF%. If you're juicing you can do this without much issue but if you're not the body will get rid of a lot of muscle mass in the process.

Ahh yes, agreed. But imo Lombards physique isnt that hard to maintain if youre an athlete like he is.
 
I think they have to be if theyre cmpeting in weight classes now, fat desnt help much. But I still think a majority of professional powerlifters or those that comete are on the juice. Casual arent but theyre not nearly as strong. But then there are genetic freaks with the juice like Lu Xiaojun putting up wtf numbers.

I absolutely agree on the juicing. There's really not much incentive not to, especially in non-tested feds. It's not like either sports are lucrative at all, especially in the US. You are making your money off sponsors, seminars, views on instagram, etc. When there is a drug that will let you train more, recover, get stronger, look better, etc., the pros outweigh the cons for most.
 
I absolutely agree on the juicing. There's really not much incentive not to, especially in non-tested feds. It's not like either sports are lucrative at all, especially in the US. You are making your money off sponsors, seminars, views on instagram, etc. When there is a drug that will let you train more, recover, get stronger, look better, etc., the pros outweigh the cons for most.

Its gonna take a toll on their bodies, I sure hope most of em know. Risking an enlarged heart and heart attack is not the way I wanna go.
 
If you want to keep up with my breakdowns, please check my first post - and the last ones as well:
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/ufn-103-rodriguez-vs-penn-phoenix.3429257/page-33#post-125924341

EDIT: I need to correct some formulas, they seem to be fucked up. I'll update asap.

First of all, I'd like to apologize for not posting anything on the past 2 events. Unfortunately my father in law is hospitalized and I just couldn't find time/patience to do it. However, you can check my tapology or our UFC Fantasy league to confirm my picks from the last events :)

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So basically here I lost everything because of Grasso. Fucking WMMA. I don't know why I still bet on this thing, but it is really what happened. I also missed a lot with Morono and Trujillo, I was quite confident on them as well.

Back to $0.

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Alright, a good event!

Good picks, good choices. I was disappointed with Brown ( I expected much more, but I got a huge confidence decrease now ) and Holly, but I still understand my bets.

I could make some profit on this one.

Good value bets, maybe the value is not correct, but it was close to that IIRC:

Glenn R2/3, Teixeira R2/3, Silva R2/3 and DEC (+900), BoetschKO +800, Cannonier DEC (+900), Sasaki DEC (+750+), Nover DEC (+400), LaFlare R2/3 (+1200/+1500) and Makhachev R2/3 all had good odds for me.

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There goes my ideas for the next event:




5 - Lewis - KO (1/2)

Not too much to think here, it is a heavyweight fight and Lewis is a powerhouse. I'm not sure about Browne's condition - Don't get me wrong, I think he can beat and maybe is better than Lewis, but I'm not sure about the moment.

Browne dec at +700 has good value. Fight GTD at +450 is not so bad as well

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4 - Lombard - KO (1/2)

Very similar to my logic shown above, except for Lombard's downhill. I think his athleticism is good, he is very strong and is a bad matchup for Hendricks in some aspects.

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4 - Mutante - SUB (1/2)

Mutante is very technical and slick on the ground, and Theodorou never impresses me. Mutante is not so bad standing, maybe too relaxed sometimes, and that's why I don't have more confidence on him

Mutante ITD +325, I like it.

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5 - Santos - KO (1/2)

Very good fight. I wonder if Marshman plans to take it to the ground, because Santos is very agressive and dangeours. Sometimes these kinds of fight go the distance for excessive caution, so...

Santos DEC +750, Marsh DEC +850 and fights GTD +350 are all good.

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5 - Ponzinibbio

Alright, tricky one. Ponzinibbio has made me shut my mouth lots of times, but I'm not sold on him yet, whereas I think Taleb is very underrated. I don't really understand the odds on this one.

Taleb at +400, Dec +500 and ITD +1200 ( wtf - this is too much) are all good odds.

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2 - McMann SUB (1/2)

McMann has lots of credentials and seems to be adapting and improving a lot, and her opponent has only fought bums...I should put it at group 1, but it is WMMA. Remembering Grasso, I could put this on Group 3, but fuck that. Herrig is better in comparison.

McMann ITD +275, all over that.

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5 - Vieira - SUB (1/2)

Good fight that has a big possibility of ending quickly. I think that Vieira is a bit underrated and in my opinion his opponent shouldn't be that favorite on the odds, not experienced enough.

Vieira ITD +500, check thisout.

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3 - Esparza - DEC/R3

Not so sure about this, but c'mon, Markos is not even that good. Esparza has good credentials and excels where Markos is "good". I don't believe any of them will have the edge standing. Esparza's wrestling will make Markos coast, tire, and maybe get submitted in the end.

I'm not confident for this shit tbh, Esparza's been off for a long time...Maybe I'd drop it to Group 4, but let's go.

Esparza R3 +1900 - hitting that.

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3 - Meerschaert - KO - R1/2

Janes looks so bad to me, and Meers had a great performance. I think that he improved a lot and maybe will make this an easy night. I'd be even more confident if he had beaten more proven fighters already.

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5 - Tucker - KO R1/2

Sicilia looks so shot huh? Tucket is a powerhouse and will likely go for the finish by any means. Putting these two points together, I slightly favor him.

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3 - Felder - KO R2/3 or DEC

This is another fight that I'd be more confident if not for the last performances. I don't really think that Ricci may be a threat for Felder, but Felder is such a weird guy. He fights on his opponent's level and that may cost him some fights.

Felder R2 +800, R3 +1600 - also hitting that.
 
Hm okay, i'll guess I have to take your word for it. All I can say is that a lot of people underestimate how much of their mass is actually fat and not muscle, it becomes very apparent when you go below 10% BF.

Exactly.
Another thing, people focus too much on weight. A 5'9 - 180 lb ectomorph can look bigger than a 5'9 - 180 lb guy with larger bone structure, even with the same BF%.
 
Exactly.
Another thing, people focus too much on weight. A 5'9 - 180 lb ectomorph can look bigger than a 5'9 - 180 lb guy with larger bone structure, even with the same BF%.

You do know extomorph, endmorph and all that nonsense is bs right?

Lo at people still using it.
 
If you want to keep up with my breakdowns, please check my first post - and the last ones as well:
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/ufn-103-rodriguez-vs-penn-phoenix.3429257/page-33#post-125924341

EDIT: I need to correct some formulas, they seem to be fucked up. I'll update asap.

First of all, I'd like to apologize for not posting anything on the past 2 events. Unfortunately my father in law is hospitalized and I just couldn't find time/patience to do it. However, you can check my tapology or our UFC Fantasy league to confirm my picks from the last events :)

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So basically here I lost everything because of Grasso. Fucking WMMA. I don't know why I still bet on this thing, but it is really what happened. I also missed a lot with Morono and Trujillo, I was quite confident on them as well.

Back to $0.

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Alright, a good event!

Good picks, good choices. I was disappointed with Brown ( I expected much more, but I got a huge confidence decrease now ) and Holly, but I still understand my bets.

I could make some profit on this one.

Good value bets, maybe the value is not correct, but it was close to that IIRC:

Glenn R2/3, Teixeira R2/3, Silva R2/3 and DEC (+900), BoetschKO +800, Cannonier DEC (+900), Sasaki DEC (+750+), Nover DEC (+400), LaFlare R2/3 (+1200/+1500) and Makhachev R2/3 all had good odds for me.

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There goes my ideas for the next event:




5 - Lewis - KO (1/2)

Not too much to think here, it is a heavyweight fight and Lewis is a powerhouse. I'm not sure about Browne's condition - Don't get me wrong, I think he can beat and maybe is better than Lewis, but I'm not sure about the moment.

Browne dec at +700 has good value. Fight GTD at +450 is not so bad as well

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4 - Lombard - KO (1/2)

Very similar to my logic shown above, except for Lombard's downhill. I think his athleticism is good, he is very strong and is a bad matchup for Hendricks in some aspects.

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4 - Mutante - SUB (1/2)

Mutante is very technical and slick on the ground, and Theodorou never impresses me. Mutante is not so bad standing, maybe too relaxed sometimes, and that's why I don't have more confidence on him

Mutante ITD +325, I like it.

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5 - Santos - KO (1/2)

Very good fight. I wonder if Marshman plans to take it to the ground, because Santos is very agressive and dangeours. Sometimes these kinds of fight go the distance for excessive caution, so...

Santos DEC +750, Marsh DEC +850 and fights GTD +350 are all good.

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5 - Ponzinibbio

Alright, tricky one. Ponzinibbio has made me shut my mouth lots of times, but I'm not sold on him yet, whereas I think Taleb is very underrated. I don't really understand the odds on this one.

Taleb at +400, Dec +500 and ITD +1200 ( wtf - this is too much) are all good odds.

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2 - McMann SUB (1/2)

McMann has lots of credentials and seems to be adapting and improving a lot, and her opponent has only fought bums...I should put it at group 1, but it is WMMA. Remembering Grasso, I could put this on Group 3, but fuck that. Herrig is better in comparison.

McMann ITD +275, all over that.

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5 - Vieira - SUB (1/2)

Good fight that has a big possibility of ending quickly. I think that Vieira is a bit underrated and in my opinion his opponent shouldn't be that favorite on the odds, not experienced enough.

Vieira ITD +500, check thisout.

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3 - Esparza - DEC/R3

Not so sure about this, but c'mon, Markos is not even that good. Esparza has good credentials and excels where Markos is "good". I don't believe any of them will have the edge standing. Esparza's wrestling will make Markos coast, tire, and maybe get submitted in the end.

I'm not confident for this shit tbh, Esparza's been off for a long time...Maybe I'd drop it to Group 4, but let's go.

Esparza R3 +1900 - hitting that.

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3 - Meerschaert - KO - R1/2

Janes looks so bad to me, and Meers had a great performance. I think that he improved a lot and maybe will make this an easy night. I'd be even more confident if he had beaten more proven fighters already.

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5 - Tucker - KO R1/2

Sicilia looks so shot huh? Tucket is a powerhouse and will likely go for the finish by any means. Putting these two points together, I slightly favor him.

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3 - Felder - KO R2/3 or DEC

This is another fight that I'd be more confident if not for the last performances. I don't really think that Ricci may be a threat for Felder, but Felder is such a weird guy. He fights on his opponent's level and that may cost him some fights.

Felder R2 +800, R3 +1600 - also hitting that.

No offence but picking Brown, Trujillo and Cannonier by dec shows that you are really green and have much to learn in this betting business. Lombard and Lewis will be another downfall for you. You should follow the real experts here. Instead of sharing your fraud picks here (sorry) you should go and train MMA so you would have better understanding of MMA. I'm sure had you trained MMA for real you wouldn't have picked brown and abel. Dojnt get me wrong .. I love you and your effort. I read your breakdowns and agree about 75%
 
He's a professional athlete, with proper dieticians. It should be easy for him.


Even for the normal guy, its pretty easy with the right diet, weightlifting regiment. Hell you can have a shit diet and still be lean as fuck if you eat less calories than your body needs but keep up the weightlifting.


I think you'd be surprised at how many of these guys do not have Dietitians and proper strength and conditioning specialists. Keep in mind a dietitian is different than a nutritionist. I have a bachelors in nutrition sciences but I am not a dietitian, I did not do the necessary internship in a hospital to go that route.

Too many of these guys have there friends, wives, etc. doing there nutrition programs or strength and conditioning. I think it was Arian Foster (Pro Football Running Back who led the NFL in rushing a few years ago) had is brother in law train him in the off season. Guy was always fuckin hurt and retired at 30. I think it played a role in that.

It costs a lot of money to hire the right dietitians and S&C coaches. No excuse for an NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB athlete but much different for some of these fighters.
 
I think you'd be surprised at how many of these guys do not have Dietitians and proper strength and conditioning specialists. Keep in mind a dietitian is different than a nutritionist. I have a bachelors in nutrition sciences but I am not a dietitian, I did not do the necessary internship in a hospital to go that route.

Too many of these guys have there friends, wives, etc. doing there nutrition programs or strength and conditioning. I think it was Arian Foster (Pro Football Running Back who led the NFL in rushing a few years ago) had is brother in law train him in the off season. Guy was always fuckin hurt and retired at 30. I think it played a role in that.

It costs a lot of money to hire the right dietitians and S&C coaches. No excuse for an NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB athlete but much different for some of these fighters.

If youre in one of the bigger gyms, SnC coahces are provided to the athletes. Usually the bigger name fighters have hired Dolce or Lockart or someone whose similar and just use their meal plans for the rest of their other camps but for the newer fighters, its much harder I agree. Its why many younger fighters look different after theyve gotten a few wins in a row and able to spend on the right coaches etc.
 
i don't know what you guys are seeing in vieira but i think -200 for zahabi is justified, even as a newcomer. it's a tailor made opponnent to make the hometown fighter look good imo.
 
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