UFC 215 - Johnson vs. Borg - Alberta, Canada

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that knee injury due to the brutal kicks Larkin was landing? RDA has some nasty kicks himself and I think he's going to use them here.

I also think it remains to be seen if RDA is too small for 170. Look what he did to Cerrone, Diaz, Bendo, etc., who have all had at least some success at 170. He also recently took 2 rounds off of Ferguson, maybe the best 155'er in the world right now and a guy who could certainly have a lot of success at 170 if he were to ever move up.

yes it was. but that does not necessarily mean that its going to happen again. it probably changed the direction of the fight but imo the outcome wouldve been the same as i think larkin is one of the best strikers at 170.

diaz was never a top level 170 and both he and cerrone have the frames to go up in weight. also, 155 cowboys game was based on his skillset whereas lw rdas game was based on overpowering guys backed by his granite chin and cardio.

im admittedly biased as i look to fade guys moving up in weight both in boxing and mma who mostly relied on power and punch resistance as opposed to skill and rda to me fits into this category.

hes a really small guy, a big 170 like gastelum woud just walk him down
 
yes it was. but that does not necessarily mean that its going to happen again. it probably changed the direction of the fight but imo the outcome wouldve been the same as i think larkin is one of the best strikers at 170.

diaz was never a top level 170 and both he and cerrone have the frames to go up in weight. also, 155 cowboys game was based on his skillset whereas lw rdas game was based on overpowering guys backed by his granite chin and cardio.

im admittedly biased as i look to fade guys moving up in weight both in boxing and mma who mostly relied on power and punch resistance as opposed to skill and rda to me fits into this category.

hes a really small guy, a big 170 like gastelum woud just walk him down

I agree with what you're saying about RDA, but I just don't know if Magny is the guy to expose him. IMO Magny is a bit overrated based on some wins against guys who are a shell of what they once were/questionable decisions. I don't believe that RDA is the same guy he was a few years back, but I do think he's got something left in the tank. Still, Magny has put together an 11-2 record in the UFC since 2014 so I'm not writing him off here by any means.

Also, my point about the Larkin fight was that when the injury in caused by a strike from your opponent, it can't just be written off. He didn't come into the fight with an injury, he was getting lit up from the opening bell.

I believe that RDA is better than Magny everywhere. Magny doesn't respond well to pressure and I don't think he has the power to prevent RDA from coming forward. Will Magny's size advantage be too much to overcome? Maybe, but I'm thinking not. I think RDA will be able to do enough to win 2 rounds at least. At -210 now, I'm not seeing much value left on RDA, but I do favor him here and I like the -150 price that got.
 
I agree with what you're saying about RDA, but I just don't know if Magny is the guy to expose him. IMO Magny is a bit overrated based on some wins against guys who are a shell of what they once were/questionable decisions. I don't believe that RDA is the same guy he was a few years back, but I do think he's got something left in the tank. Still, Magny has put together an 11-2 record in the UFC since 2014 so I'm not writing him off here by any means.

Also, my point about the Larkin fight was that when the injury in caused by a strike from your opponent, it can't just be written off. He didn't come into the fight with an injury, he was getting lit up from the opening bell.

I believe that RDA is better than Magny everywhere. Magny doesn't respond well to pressure and I don't think he has the power to prevent RDA from coming forward. Will Magny's size advantage be too much to overcome? Maybe, but I'm thinking not. I think RDA will be able to do enough to win 2 rounds at least. At -210 now, I'm not seeing much value left on RDA, but I do favor him here and I like the -150 price that got.

the 155 5'7" rda is nowhere near a 170 larkin who has a dominant win over lawler at 185 before robbies run at 170. i think the size and reach of magny should be an equalizer here.

i just cant get over this little guy, who really doenst have one punch power, imposing his will on guys that are naturally a weight class bigger than him.
 
the 155 5'7" rda is nowhere near a 170 larkin who has a dominant win over lawler at 185 before robbies run at 170. i think the size and reach of magny should be an equalizer here.

i just cant get over this little guy, who really doenst have one punch power, imposing his will on guys that are naturally a weight class bigger than him.

You may be right, we'll see. I wasn't comparing RDA to Larkin though, I was pointing out that Magny was dominated in the Larkin fight and the injury wasn't an excuse since it occurred due to Larkin's leg kicks.

I don't think RDA is going to have a problem getting inside and negating Magny's reach advantage but I could be wrong.
 
RDA is 1.53 now and that's too low for me, I'll just play his dec line since I'll be very surprised if he stops Magny.
 
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Jds is slowly turning into glover teixeira

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Fuck, I thought Ngannou was going to be exposed.
 
Worse thing is that it will most likely end up being some bs supplement that has zero impact on performance like 99% of the time someone gets "caught" by USADA.
 
Man, it gets to the point that it feels stupid.
Everyone is doing some sort of forbidden substance, it's just who gets caught and who does not.
 
The substance was hydrochlorothiazide which is a diuretic and can be used as an masking agent. Doesn't make much sense for a HW who doesn't cut weight to use it for cutting weight so...
 
I bet $100 on Magny. I'm not a believer in fighters moving up. Rda is a great fighter but is looking at like a 10in reach disadvantage. Magny ain't great, but fairly technical. I could easily see him winning a decision and he's a fairly large underdog.

And just a point on moving up. Look at cowboy. Everyone says he looks great. Why? Before he was fighting for belts. Now he's nowhere near a shot and losing. Is he a shit fighter? No, he's fantastic. But moving up is extremely hard. The competition shoots up. Now cowboy in particular could actually grow into it given his physical build. Rda is to small for the division and will never grow into it.
 
Does anyone think money will come in on nunes? I already have a good deal on shev at -115 but was hopeful to get some more at + odds, but starting to think she s odds will just get worse.
 
I bet $100 on Magny. I'm not a believer in fighters moving up. Rda is a great fighter but is looking at like a 10in reach disadvantage. Magny ain't great, but fairly technical. I could easily see him winning a decision and he's a fairly large underdog.

And just a point on moving up. Look at cowboy. Everyone says he looks great. Why? Before he was fighting for belts. Now he's nowhere near a shot and losing. Is he a shit fighter? No, he's fantastic. But moving up is extremely hard. The competition shoots up. Now cowboy in particular could actually grow into it given his physical build. Rda is to small for the division and will never grow into it.

I suppose you don't believe in fighters moving down either since most fighters don't seem to improve their record by moving up OR down in weight. I read a comparison and the post weight change winning percentage drops about 5 % on average for fighters who change weight classes but I think stats can be deceiving. I think it all comes down to the individual fighter and his or hers reason for making the change. If a declining fighter chooses to move up or down in an attempt to revive his career and ends up losing, is it because of the decline in speed, mental aspects etc that was already happening or was it because of the move? It's hard to know when to blame the move for their failures when they lose or credit the move for their success when they win, it just seems like an oversimplification to say that you don't believe in fighters moving up.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/8/5/9100525/ufc-fighters-little-success-changing-weight-classes-mma

I like RDA here and I think you're making way too big a deal out of Magnys reach advantage.
 
Does anyone think money will come in on nunes? I already have a good deal on shev at -115 but was hopeful to get some more at + odds, but starting to think she s odds will just get worse.

My complete guess is that it stays pretty much where it is or maybe even shifts a little bit towards Shevchenko. The line was close to the same on fight day last time around and I have to think that Nunes backing out of that one wont do anything to instill confidence in bettors.
 
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