UFC 215 PBP/Discussion

I know you're new here, but coming in saying "I knew Moras was likely to win" about as helpful as a stomach ache. I searched your posts and you said nothing prior to the fight.

I didn't say I "knew" it. I said my stat model had Moras as better and wanted to understand what information the model may have missed.

I never implied that my model is the ultimate arbiter of UFC truth, as it is new and has plenty of flaws. You just took it that way, which is unfair to me when most of my pre-fight posts were logical + helpful arguments for winning underdogs.

Moraes is absolutely terrible. AES just fought the stupidest way she possibly could have, which I guess isn't that surprising. But your statmodel needs some serious work if it that Moraes as better - Outcome of fight =/= always the outcome that should be expected.

Don't get me wrong-- the model rates Moras as bad. It merely rates AES as an ultrabad joke of embarrassing proportions, which frankly doesn't seem wrong.
 
I'm surprised people are arguing about the main. It was a very close, inactive, boring fight. Judges probably fell asleep and just kept the belt on the champ.

The sooner WMMA is dissolved into Invicta the better. One thing remains constant - dog or pass in the catfights. Blindly betting the dog each fight must return a profit over the last year?
 
I saw an even striking battle where nunes actually came out pretty aggressively in the first 60-90 seconds of the 5th, then a minute or so of no one doing anything, then the ill-advised head and arm attempt which resulted in her getting her back taken.. then they got up and nunes controlled her against the cage and dumped her with a double leg . And no one did much after that.

Pretty clear for nunes imo

And I see very Little evidence of new criteria ever being applied, semi off subject

the 5th round of the first lawler/hendricks fight was essentially the same and provided the same result
 
I'm surprised people are arguing about the main. It was a very close, inactive, boring fight. Judges probably fell asleep and just kept the belt on the champ.

It's not really surprising if you consider that people were making big, confident bets on it.
 
It's not really surprising if you consider that people were making big, confident bets on it.
yeah i worded it wrong. I'm surprised people are surprised...It could have gone either way; i personally thought Shev won but i bet her so maybe bias. I sure as hell am not watching it again to check!!

#CutWMMA
 
I just read that Tucker has four broken bones in the face: two separate breaks in the jaw (one from the first round knockdown) and two broken orbitals. I remember someone asking if it was a worse beatdown than Weidman/Rockhold. I would say yes. That was a prolonged beating for 10+ minutes.
 
I just read that Tucker has four broken bones in the face: two separate breaks in the jaw (one from the first round knockdown) and two broken orbitals. I remember someone asking if it was a worse beatdown than Weidman/Rockhold. I would say yes. That was a prolonged beating for 10+ minutes.
This is the least surprising news of the day. That fight was fucking gross.
 
been a while since I have seen the tide change so dramatically. Tucker looked great in r1.

brutal to go from being undefeated to just getting smashed.
 
been a while since I have seen the tide change so dramatically. Tucker looked great in r1.

brutal to go from being undefeated to just getting smashed.

With the knockdown, I thought he lost the first. I don't think he looked bad, but he's just got a lot of flash to his style. Defensively he leaves a lot to be desired.
 
I just read that Tucker has four broken bones in the face: two separate breaks in the jaw (one from the first round knockdown) and two broken orbitals. I remember someone asking if it was a worse beatdown than Weidman/Rockhold. I would say yes. That was a prolonged beating for 10+ minutes.
I feel Weidman Rockhold might have led to more lasting brain trauma. Much stronger man landing cleaner head shots with less movement from the opponent.
 
I understand the idea of the ref giving a fighter the benefit of he doubt, but the punishment that Tucker was taking was clearly excessive. I know it's unbelievably rare in MMA, but his corner probably should've bailed him out at some point too since the ref was cool with watching a near death. That fight was a great opportunity to be an important learning experience for Tucker, instead it'll probably take years off of his career.
 
yeah i worded it wrong. I'm surprised people are surprised...It could have gone either way; i personally thought Shev won but i bet her so maybe bias. I sure as hell am not watching it again to check!!

#CutWMMA

I was only on the over so I'm not biased from bets. I really like Shev as a fighter and I don't really have an opinion about Nunes but I felt that Shev probably won the fight but that judges would likely score it for Nunes. Think I even wrote that I would've taken +100 on Nunes before the decision came out (that said it was 7am in the morning and I'd just picked up my gf and her mom from the airport a couple of hours before so I probably wasn't as sharp as I could be).
 
the dude at the press conference said the commission pulled that ref from the rest of the card, i think they know he fucked up bigtime
 
the dude at the press conference said the commission pulled that ref from the rest of the card, i think they know he fucked up bigtime

You'd think just 3 months after the fight that lead to Tim Hague's death in the same city that they would be emphasizing fighter safety even more than usual.
 
I understand the idea of the ref giving a fighter the benefit of he doubt, but the punishment that Tucker was taking was clearly excessive. I know it's unbelievably rare in MMA, but his corner probably should've bailed him out at some point too since the ref was cool with watching a near death. That fight was a great opportunity to be an important learning experience for Tucker, instead it'll probably take years off of his career.
My buddy and I were getting just as pissed at the corner as the ref. What in the fuck kind of dickhead coaches do you have to be to not throw in the towel.

Tucker literally spent about 3-4 mins in round 3 just rolling around. He ate about 300 strikes while doing so. What a fucking prick the ref is to think that's considering "still fighting"

Really was a disgusting fight. Def haven't felt that disgusted since Weidman vs Rockhold I think
 
My buddy and I were getting just as pissed at the corner as the ref. What in the fuck kind of dickhead coaches do you have to be to not throw in the towel.

Tucker literally spent about 3-4 mins in round 3 just rolling around. He ate about 300 strikes while doing so. What a fucking prick the ref is to think that's considering "still fighting"

Really was a disgusting fight. Def haven't felt that disgusted since Weidman vs Rockhold I think

Throwing in the towel is not allowed in the unified rules. It was all on the ref.
 
Throwing in the towel is not allowed in the unified rules. It was all on the ref.

Even if its not allowed it gives a massive signal to the referee that the fight should be stopped.
 
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