UFN 118 - Cerrone vs Till - Poland

[vkram]

Combo Till ko/tko r1 is +1000 @ betfair

That makes sense too.

 

[Card]

MMAjunkie said all the US fighters have said they have trouble sleeping. Said first couple days Cerrone was walking around like a zombie.

Said Alvey really thought the fight was at 205 when he accepted, tried to cut 40 pounds in 4 days.

Also Castillo was pissed at Fili for shaking Lobov's hand after the staredown

 

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[MidgardSerpent]

People and their god awful tattoo's, Salim looks like he has a tattoo of Sam Smith's face on his chest.

 

[MFCharon]

I agree 100%. Not that I am a pro by any stretch, but this has always been my problem. I am finally winning at a much better rate now that I am looking at just a few fights that I have good grasp on.

This is exactly I made clear some events ago. I max myself to 2 bets per event. I'm seldom on the wrong side and most of the times the timing of the bet is very good (at highest odds at my bookies).

 

[wack3d]

hmm am i blind or was there no weigh-in for the HW fight?

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

Jodie Esquibel fake boobs?

 

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Wieczorek vs. Hamilton - no staredown

@MMAjunkieJohn

I am told fight is still happening. No official word yet on why they weren’t on stage. Will pass on ASAP.

 

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Jodie Esquibel fake boobs?

Looks like it.

 

[Papi]

I highly recommend people listen to heavy hands discuss Till/Cerrone. They dissect Till's game so well

Dude that was awesome are they always this good? Ive never listened to this podcast before

 

[waiguoren]

Jodie Esquibel fake boobs?

Yes, good eye. You are now a member of the #elite titty club.

 

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Jack Slack - https://sports.vice.com/en_us/artic...fcs-next-british-star?utm_source=viceredditca

Darren Till brings several elements to the table which seem as though they could spell trouble for Donald Cerrone. The long left straight down the center of Cerrone's often porous defense could prove a treat, and the counter left straight as Cerrone steps up to kick might be just as useful. Limiting the pace of the fight can encourage overcommitments from a higher output fighter like Cerrone. Secondly Till, once again a southpaw, is a constant threat with the left kick to the body. He hasn't knocked anyone out off it in the UFC but it is always there, and against Cerrone in particular that is an issue. Even kicking through the arm, opponents have paralyzed Cerrone by getting to his infamous "glass tummy" with some force. Till has also timed some lovely step in knees against his opponents both on the counter and when pressuring them along the fence. Any time he can get to Cerrone's body, it would probably be wise to.

Checking and evading low kicks in MMA is largely an afterthought and the common response of retreating from strikes means that Cerrone will often just pump his hands to run into his kicks. Till is in the game of retracting the lead leg and letting his opponent fall just short, or taking the low kick and catching it. Given how well Masvidal was able to counter off Cerrone's kicks once he had absorbed the momentum, Till might look to crowd Cerrone and draw out a predictable kick.

Watching Donald Cerrone fight a young gun who is so proud of his Muay Thai adds another layer of intrigue because at welterweight Cerrone has shown himself to be far more willing to sneak in a takedown and work from top position early on—much to the surprise of many of his opponents.

Cerrone's ground game and wrestling are often under-rated but to improve his chances of getting the takedown on Till, who keeps a good distance at all times, Cerrone would do well to move him towards the cage. Till's straight retreats and withdrawals from kicks often see him run onto the fence at points in his bouts, but so far few of his opponents have taken advantage of this.

Whenever a young fighter is taking a big step up in level of opposition, gas tank is a factor. Forced into a hard fight with Nicolas Dalby, Till went from the abuser to the abused in the last round as he stood still with his hands low as Dalby glanced him with high kicks. This fight is a five rounder and if Cerrone can make him work even in a grueling clinch battle for three of those rounds, Till's gas tank had better be much more full than it was against Dalby. Not only is a long fight unfamiliar territory, and Cerrone a stiffer test than anyone Till has fought previously, Till put himself through a severe weight cut to make welterweight and missed weight by five pounds in his May 2017 fight against Jessin Ayari. So often when we talk about youth vs. experience, experience tends to have the upper hand over the longer haul. With that being said, Cerrone hasn't been beyond the third round since 2009. He's trained for a whole heap of five rounders but he usually gets to the showers early.

 

[Sadistics]

Dude that was awesome are they always this good? Ive never listened to this podcast before

Yeah usually, it's my favourite podcast

 

[Rebel_LioN]

I don't see how Wilson wins aside from landing a huge left in the 1st. But Wilson really loads up and I don't think Piechota is the type to stand in front of Wilson like Cutelaba or Frank Waisten Jr. On the ground Piechota appears to have what it takes to absolutely tool Wilson. We've only seen Wilson on the ground in 1 round of 1 fight, where he was able to take Frank Waisten down but then got swept and then mounted. If you see what Piechota did to Craig White, who is a competent grappler, you'll see how slick he is. Wilson dropping another 20 lbs to MW and now saying he can't get adjusted to the time zone. All signs point to Wilson getting outpointed on the feet and/or subbed once it hits the mat.

But, who knows, Wilson might be faster and a world beater at 185. It's just that the only good attributes he's demonstrated in any of his fights is (1) strong left straight (2) strong chin.

As far as Piechode's ground game, it looked like a couple regional guys were able to hang with him on the mat. It's the fact that a few guys weren't willing to play his game that they were able to escape plenty of times.

I remember him trying to snatch a guillotine and flopping to his back. In BJJ, you're supposed to engage but in MMA you don't have to go to the ground with a person. I'm not sold on his BJJ translating to MMA.

Was kinda wondering this.. Wilson tends to gas so fucking bad though, but he really should be better in many areas here, pick em at worst

Look at the pace Ion and Frankenstein set though. Those guys were tanks.

Very crafty sub game, good takedowns from the clinch, nice sense of range while striking and nice counter check left hook. His striking, albeit in two super short fights, looks like it has come along nicely from his earlier fights. I agree with you that pulling guard is not a good look at the higher levels, but he hits some nice sweeps against better grapplers than Wilson appears to be. If this goes to the mat at all, I think Wilson is in deep trouble. Initially I thought I would be on Piechota, but Wilson does have a lot of pop in that left hand and I am not real confident Piechota can get takedowns from anywhere but the clinch. Only play for me is .3u Piechota Sub +340.

I think his TDs from the clinch is pretty amateur honestly. I've got better TDs :/ He doesn't even strike from there either. And as far as his striking goes, he's not gonna beat Wilson in range and Wilson is a tough guy, look at the shots he took in his run so far this guy isn't going to flinch or panic.

And he may be really good in scrambles but Wilson isn't going to play that game with him. A tale of two styles is what I predict will happen in this fight and if pie can't get this to the floor he's gonna have to play Wilson's 'game'. He reminds me of Vinny Mag who is a player in BJJ but is whack in MMA because of his inability to dictate where the fight takes place.

I don't have a prob with Pie sub though that line is off.

 

[Yotsuya]

Pick: Alvey by second round TKO

Alvey R2 is my play. It's 12.0 at bet365. I think Alvey has two good rounds in him and to me it seemed that Emeev slowed down a bit after wrestling the first round against Tokov. If Alvey starts tagging Emeev the Russian will try to score from the clinch which could tire him. Alvey is big and Emeev is tiny and it will take some real effort to control Sam clinching.

 

[Stunna77]

I think his TDs from the clinch is pretty amateur honestly. I've got better TDs :/ He doesn't even strike from there either. And as far as his striking goes, he's not gonna beat Wilson in range and Wilson is a tough guy, look at the shots he took in his run so far this guy isn't going to flinch or panic.

And he may be really good in scrambles but Wilson isn't going to play that game with him. A tale of two styles is what I predict will happen in this fight and if pie can't get this to the floor he's gonna have to play Wilson's 'game'. He reminds me of Vinny Mag who is a player in BJJ but is whack in MMA because of his inability to dictate where the fight takes place.

I don't have a prob with Pie sub though that line is off.

Good takedowns may have been too strong, he has sneaky trips and guard pulls straight into sweeps from the couple fights I watched. Haven't seen much of Wilson's grappling, but I am assuming it isn't strong based on his style. No strong lean on the ML, think its probably Wilson KO or Pie sub.

 

[Rebel_LioN]

Good takedowns may have been too strong, he has sneaky trips and guard pulls straight into sweeps from the couple fights I watched. Haven't seen much of Wilson's grappling, but I am assuming it isn't strong based on his style. No strong lean on the ML, think its probably Wilson KO or Pie sub.

It's a workman-like trip but I don't rate them at all. I'm not a pro and I think I have better wrestling technique than him.

I've seen enough of Wilson's clinch to know that he has some fundamental's to break or defend himself there against Pieboy. Like I keep reiterating, head positioning. It's a 3rd arm. Look out for that.

Here's a sequence I've sent to my friends who gamble with me:

(Sorry for quality but sherdog mobile won't let me) but it starts from bottom right going left.



Like, what is that?

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

Piechota is a solid prospect, Cage Warriors middleweight champ. UFC are trying to set him up with a win in Poland against a failed prospect in Johnny Wilson.

Don't be judging Piechota on a fight you saw 3 years ago either, he's young and improving.Comes from a BJJ background, blackbelt under Drysdale but it's his striking that has been getting the job done recently.

Legit power in Piechota's hands and he's sleeping guys with headkicks.

IDK what people see in Wilson, he's tough and he's got some pop in his hands, thats about it. Besides Dempsey, Wilson has only beaten cans, like 0-1 fighters. No way I would have any confidence in Wilson, he's meant to lose here.

 

[SBJJ]

I don't see how one can pay the juice on pie here. I think it was Buddens and I that were commenting on his tape earlier in the thread.

I don't think his style is gonna fair well in the UFC. At evens I could see a bet but not him as a juiced fave

 

[Joseph Budden]

I don't see how one can pay the juice on pie here. I think it was Buddens and I that were commenting on his tape earlier in the thread.

I don't think his style is gonna fair well in the UFC. At evens I could see a bet but not him as a juiced fave

Yup that was me. Don’t see anything in him that warrants a bet at his price and could see that upright stance being bad for Wilson’s preferred long punches