Exactly. You're talking about Rd 2. Rd 1 was close but Held did the stanky leg at the time I mentioned so he really shouldn't have won that round either. Dan Hardy knew what was up and called the fight properly.Held win wasnt a robbery, but 30-27 Haq is more reasonable than 30-27 Held. I scored it 29-28 Haq.
I have no idea how Held won the round where he got tagged repeatedly and dropped. Yeah Held took Haq to the ground, but he did zero damage and wasnt even close to getting a submission. That's Haqs round even with the old rules.
I'm surprised that decision is controversial honestly. I was pretty sure Held would have the decision. It looks like most play by plays had it that way too. I'm not going to rewatch it to rescore it, but I figured 29-28 Held at worst. Held would have been livid if he lost that one after losing the Lauzon decision!
If you hurt me on the feet, then I take you down with a double against the cage (no slam) and lay in your guard for the rest in the round (little to no damage), should I win the round?Haqrapest wasn't fucking up Held. So why should landing 5 more clean punches count more than Held dominating rounds with his grappling? I thought we'd hear at least one 29-28 since Haq did drop Held despite the rest of the round, but it would've been a bit of a robbery to give Haq that W
If you can watch Rd 2 and score it for Held you might be special
This is a bit much though. Considering Haq literally just landed like maybe 5 more clean punches on the feet than Held in the "arguable" rounds, obviously great positional grappling has to be considered in scoring. But its not like Held literally just stuck his head in Haq's chest and hugged. He went for a few subs, he landed a few shots on top (all it takes is a few considering, again, Haq didn't fuck him up at all, just a few more clean shots on the feet), and he controlled majority of all the rounds in a superior position.If you hurt me on the feet, then I take you down with a double against the cage (no slam) and lay in your guard for the rest in the round (little to no damage), should I win the round?
Oh snap, now you've got me questioning myself. Haven't rewatched Rd 2 yetI guess a lot of people are special. I've seen more people arguing Rd 1 as obvious than Rd 2.
He dropped him in the 2nd, not the 1stThis is a bit much though. Considering Haq literally just landed like maybe 5 more clean punches on the feet than Held in the "arguable" rounds, obviously great positional grappling has to be considered in scoring. But its not like Held literally just stuck his head in Haq's chest and hugged. He went for a few subs, he landed a few shots on top (all it takes is a few considering, again, Haq didn't fuck him up at all, just a few more clean shots on the feet), and he controlled majority of all the rounds in a superior position.
Really the only round I think is arguable is the first cause Haq dropped Held. Think that should prob weigh more than anything else that happened, despite it easily being Helds most aggressive round on the mat especially in that last min or two.
Damn my memory is going to shit really could've swore that was the first but yeah. I guess its kind of debatable, but I'd just really need more than landing a few cleaner punches on the feet to give a guy a round when hes getting dominated on the mat.He dropped him in the 2nd, not the 1st
In Rd 1 he went for 0 subs, just got locked down in Nasrat's closed guard. Tried some GNP but it really accomplished nothing.Damn my memory is going to shit really could've swore that was the first but yeah. I guess its kind of debatable, but I'd just really need more than landing a few cleaner punches on the feet to give a guy a round when hes getting dominated on the mat.
In Rd 1 he went for 0 subs, just got locked down in Nasrat's closed guard. Tried some GNP but it really accomplished nothing.
Oblivian has talked about the importance of body language before. In Rd 1 Held was on roller skates after eating a straight left counter but the dude's body language is excellent. It takes a trained judge to spot that stuff.
Yeah but it's even worse here because Held did get the noodle legs. He still managed to keep alpha posture and minimize movement until he got his feet under him.Yeah having a good poker face in combat sports is one of the more overlooked attributes a guy can have. Not speaking to this fight, did not see it, but that's always a good point to bring up. Guys who can play off a good shot are gonna get much more benefit of the doubt from judges/fans than somebody who gets the noodle legs every time they're buzzed with something, even if both fighters in question are equally affected by the shot.
I think I recall that you have grappled before. When a guy is in your closed guard and you have completely broken his posture, do you feel like you're getting dominated? Seriously, rewatch Rd 1 when you get a chance.I'd just really need more than landing a few cleaner punches on the feet to give a guy a round when hes getting dominated on the mat.
I can't even debate individual rounds anymore after being confident round 1 was the one he got dropped lol but I can at least say I clearly remember Held completely dominating on the mat. Maybe not in the sense he was passing and attacking left and right, but Nasrat had literally no answer to anything for most of those rounds spent on the ground.In Rd 1 he went for 0 subs, just got locked down in Nasrat's closed guard. Tried some GNP but it really accomplished nothing.
Oblivian has talked about the importance of body language before. In Rd 1 Held was on roller skates after eating a straight left counter but the dude's body language is excellent. It takes a trained judge to spot that stuff.
Not gonna lie no chance I rewatch that shit show fight anytime soon especially when i gotta make time for Brazil tape watch, but being held down for majority of round with Held landing a few shots in between should count for something if hes not getting fucked up. Again not saying he landed much, can remember literally him landing just a couple shots everytime he was on top, but in this sort of fight that seems to be all it takes to edge a round in my eyes.I think I recall that you have grappled before. When a guy is in your closed guard and you have completely broken his posture, do you feel like you're getting dominated? Seriously, rewatch Rd 1 when you get a chance.
but I can at least say I clearly remember Held completely dominating on the mat. Maybe not in the sense he was passing and attacking left and right, but Nasrat had literally no answer to anything for most of those rounds spent on the ground.
Not gonna lie no chance I rewatch that shit show fight anytime soon especially when i gotta make time for Brazil tape watch, but being held down for majority of round with Held landing a few shots in between should count for something if hes not getting fucked up. .