UFC 217 - Bisping vs GSP - NYC

[thesharktank]

GSP trained with Bisping before Bisping even knew what a Double Leg was.

If WW GSP can take down any MW, why couldn't he take down Hendricks

All excuses aside about George not being mentally engaged in the training camp, battling anxiety, having trouble sleeping etc. Which are just that, excuses. He landed 3 takedowns in that fight and has a 73% career TD%. Bispings wrestling style is nothing like Johnnys, and Johnny used to cut 20+ lbs to get down to 170 and then IV all the way back up. Bisping is not some powerhouse MW, and GSPs TDs have always been predicated on timing, balance, setups and explosion. If he has anything left, he will have Bisping down and pinned multiple times in this fight.

 

[MMA Goodfella]

Son. You're not going to like this news, but betting on Duffy is a #Casualplay as the McGregor link, along with Irish degenerates, has meant that Duffy has been consistently juiced throughout his lackluster UFC career. Vick's 7-1 at LW, whilst Duffy's UFC career is marked by that most Irish thing of a glorious defeat. Dude's out of his depth on the ground, and is going to learn about the amount of levels in this sport.

Dariush fucking smoked Vick on the feet, and Duffy’s boxing is much superior than Benny’s is. I think this fight can be close but you are selling Joe Duffy short by a long shot.

 

[Naterade]

Beniel Dariush, when he's on, is a top 10 LW. He was outstriking Edson Barboza till Edson pulled out that miracle knee (I mean, I bet on Edson ITD, but I wasn't expecting it like that.). Poirer who ragdoll'd Duffy when he felt the need, despite not being a particularly notable grappler, is half the fighter than Beneil is.

100% agree. Beniel is a top tier LW and was dominating Barboza before that knee. I also don't think his last fight with Dunham was anything close to a draw....R1 should have been 10-8 for Beniel, R2 10-9 Dunham and R3 was 10-9 Beniel

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

Looks like Fury has bet Duffy, not surprising.

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

James Vick has completed one takedown in the UFC

Joe Duffy has never completed a takedown in the UFC, he has never even attempted one.

James Vick is defensively flawed as a striker

Joe Duffy is the all round better striker and this will be a striking match

I have a hard time seeing James Vick win unless Duffy makes mistakes and gives him something

Besides height, reach and size. I think Joe Duffy owns every significant advantage in this fight.

 

[Kowboy Karl]

GSP trained with Bisping before Bisping even knew what a Double Leg was.

If WW GSP can take down any MW, why couldn't he take down Hendricks

Did you just do wrestling math and forget Hendrix wrestled at one of the top ncaa programs since almost forever? And that Bisping fought in pubs and lived on his car?


Geez

 

[Jae Gibbz]

Is Johnny being cornered by Greg Jackson?

If so the I would think there will be a gameplan and will be to get takedowns

Probably been answered already but just Winklejohn. No Jackson

 

[Antagonist88]

Looks like Fury has bet Duffy, not surprising.

Thought it was Borrachinha. Doesn’t really matter though since he barely moves lines now

 

[ill800]

Watched some tape on gall and brown

Galls striking is just down right bad. He’s looking to take you down from the time the bell rings. He uses his striking to get in close and grab onto something, and looks pretty crappy doing it

His takedowns are decent. Jiu jitsu is good. He attacks submissions and he sets them up. Transitions are good too. He goes for the kill. He’s not one to lay on you. Shot a good double single on sage.

Not much experience or tape for gall. Brown has fought much better competition. Gall gassed a bit in the sage fight but he still attacked and didn’t look to be too winded.

Brown has above average striking. Much better than gall. Not as crisp and tight as I’d like to see it. Can get a bit sloppy. No real cardio issues. Still have to watch a few more fights from him.

Tdd is ok. He is susceptible to being taken down. His jiu jitsu isn’t bad off his back. Active guard. Long legs

His lost to guys who looked to take him down and wrestle him. Muhammed was taxing his lead leg and having success with his punches and cemented thenwin with take downs control and gnp

The question for me in this fight is can brown stop gall from taking him down. I’m not so sure. Gall is going to come at randy and I think he’ll be able to survive the punches he’ll have to take in order to secure the takedown.

I haven’t bet this fight but I would only take gall at around +140 range. This is almost a dog or pass fight for me.

Brown doesn’t have a lot of power and gall seems to be able to handle getting hit. Too many unknowns with gall and brown just isn’t solid enough to back against a ground fighter

I think gall will be able to do enough to get either a sub or a close decision.

 

[ill800]

Thought it was Borrachinha. Doesn’t really matter though since he barely moves lines now

Looks like Duffy from the line movement. Duffy jumped back up to -160

The guy still moves lines. Johanna and Cody jumped up at least 20 points after he bet them.

 

[Orion]

His jiu jitsu isn’t bad.

Claims he's a brown belt yet gets his back taken in almost every fight. Doesn't add up.

 

[Sham5916910]

James Vick has completed one takedown in the UFC

Joe Duffy has never completed a takedown in the UFC, he has never even attempted one.

James Vick is defensively flawed as a striker

Joe Duffy is the all round better striker and this will be a striking match

I have a hard time seeing James Vick win unless Duffy makes mistakes and gives him something

Besides height, reach and size. I think Joe Duffy owns every significant advantage in this fight.

One he took down abel. But this will be a boxing match and duffys the better pugilist.

 

[Gugabe]

Dariush fucking smoked Vick on the feet, and Duffy’s boxing is much superior than Benny’s is. I think this fight can be close but you are selling Joe Duffy short by a long shot.

Duffy's boxing is superior to Beneil's? Wake me when Duffy beats a top 15, top 20, top 25, top 30, top 35, top 40, top 45, top 50, top 55, top 60 or better LW.

The competition that Duffy's beaten has gone 7-13 in the UFC, and nobody Duffy has beat has gone on to win a single bout in the UFC afterwards. People hold up him 'being competitive for a round guys' on the feet with Poirer, who had an actual striking battle with Jim Miller and is possibly the most overrated top 15 LW. I'd take Vick straight up over Poirer, and I think that Duffy's about to be welcomed to the real side of the UFC by looking downright shit-house.

 

[ill800]

Duffy's boxing is superior to Beneil's? Wake me when Duffy beats a top 15, top 20, top 25, top 30, top 35, top 40, top 45, top 50, top 55, top 60 or better LW.

The competition that Duffy's beaten has gone 7-13 in the UFC, and nobody Duffy has beat has gone on to win a single bout in the UFC afterwards. People hold up him 'being competitive for a round guys' on the feet with Poirer, who had an actual striking battle with Jim Miller and is possibly the most overrated top 15 LW. I'd take Vick straight up over Poirer, and I think that Duffy's about to be welcomed to the real side of the UFC by looking downright shit-house.

And What of James Vicks resume?

Duffy has been in the ufc for about 2.5 years. Vick has been around twice as long.

He was losing to glaico franca until he stuck his finger in his eye socket. Even after that Franca was still able to land good shots on him.

Marco Polo waltzed right into a straight right hand. The guy was circling to Vick’s power the entire 3 minutes of the fight

Vick has a bad habit of palming to keep distance which has resulted in multiple eye pokes. They take points for that now.

He also has a bad habit of throwing naked kicks and lifting his chin up when he punches. Dariush flattened him for that

 

[Orion]

And What of James Vicks resume?

Lazaro: 1-2 in the UFC before being cut
Hein: 4-1 in the UFC
Matthews: 4-3 in the UFC
Franca: 1-2 in the UFC before being cut
Trujillo: 6-3-1 in the UFC. Journeyman as we all know
Nijem: 5-5 in the UFC, 9-6 overall
Reyes: 3-1 in the UFC

Not great, not horrendous. None of those guys are on Duffy's level of striking.

 

[Gugabe]

And What of James Vicks resume?

Trujillio's worth more as a name than anybody on Duffy's win-list. Guys Vick has beaten have actually won fights in the UFC afterwards, which is an accomplishment beyond Duffy's strength of schedule.

Lazaro: 1-2 in the UFC before being cut
Hein: 4-1 in the UFC
Matthews: 4-3 in the UFC
Franca: 1-2 in the UFC before being cut
Trujillo: 6-3-1 in the UFC. Journeyman as we all know
Nijem: 5-5 in the UFC, 9-6 overall
Reyes: 3-1 in the UFC

Not great, not horrendous. None of those guys are on Duffy's level of striking.

You're trying to extrapolate how Duffy's looked against the absolute dregs of LW into a holistic view of his striking skills

 

[Orion]

You're trying to extrapolate how Duffy's looked against the absolute dregs of LW into a holistic view of his striking skills

It's more so extrapolating Duffy's perceived skill + Vick's flawed striking versus mid tier competition (ie: chin high, head on the center line, reckless decisions with naked flying knees).

 

[ill800]

Trujillio's worth more as a name than anybody on Duffy's win-list. Guys Vick has beaten have actually won fights in the UFC afterwards, which is an accomplishment beyond Duffy's strength of schedule.



You're trying to extrapolate how Duffy's looked against the absolute dregs of LW into a holistic view of his striking skills

I edited my reply.

It’s sounds to me like you’re wikicapping

 

[Gugabe]

I'm not going all-in on Vick by any means, but I think he's a staggering step-up in competition for Duffy. Duffy's striking skills aren't taking place in a vacuum, and have looked better than they actually may be due to a series of squash matches the UFC's been giving him. The soft underbelly of UFC betting is underdog MLs between 2.1-2.7. It's where I make most of my third-party tracked 28% ROI. Vick has no fanbase that'd be pushing him back to evens, whilst Duffy's both Irish (And the Irish love to lose money on anything with a McGregor association), and has received a bigger promotional push than Vick.

This is a classic MMA trapline where the overwhelming public favorite (https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/46980-ufc) opens as a small favorite, and the public sees fit to hammer but the line just doesn't budge. I got caught by Cerrone, don't let it happen to you. Vick's gaining traction as the unsexy pick, as a dude who's actually walked the walk of a top 20 UFC LW, and the odds are moving in his favor. You're pissing into the wind.

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

Thought it was Borrachinha. Doesn’t really matter though since he barely moves lines now

He still moves lines, like every event. He destroyed Garbrandt's and JJ's

Positive it was Duffy, the sudden movement and the time makes sense.