UFC 236 Holloway vs Poirier 2

The more tape I watch the more convinced I am that Jouban is going to sleep.... Jouban was dropped hard and hurt by a... what else... right hand from Matt Dwyer in the first round of their bout. Jouban was 33 then, and 36 now, and just lost by first round stoppage against Niko Prico because he was crumpled by a... big right hand.
 
LiquidNuke said:
The more tape I watch the more convinced I am that Jouban is going to sleep.... Jouban was dropped hard and hurt by a... what else... right hand from Matt Dwyer in the first round of their bout. Jouban was 33 then, and 36 now, and just lost by first round stoppage against Niko Prico because he was crumpled by a... big right hand.
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Joban gets rocked in all most every fight, good chance he gets KO'ed
 
I dont agree that Grant was loosing convincingly the first round with Pedersoli. He was just very patient and was avoiding almost everything that Carlo threw. He looked to me like a guy who knew very well what was he doing and he picked his timing very well at the right moment to knock Pedersoli out. I bet Carlo in this fight and i am not making the same mistake again :D
 
LiquidNuke said:
Ottow/Grant was a staring contest where both guys effectively did nothing. Similar to the Ngannu/Lewis anomaly. I don't think you can take much from a non-fight like that. Grant did still badly rattle him the one time he barely connected.

Grant is 34 with next to no wear on the tread... Jouban is a few years older still and has been in several wars, including two UFC FOTN bonuses. We just saw him getting repeatedly tagged against the slow hands of Ben Saunders.

I don't think Grant is hot shit, he's certainly not the total package MMA wise, but I'm convinced he's a huge one hitter kind of striker and that's enough against someone as defensively porous as Jouban. The film of him turning peoples lights out is out there, it's kind of his thing at this point.
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Yeah I hear ya, just saying one punching bums and one punching legit strikers are two way different things. At evens, I will almost always take the more skilled guy.
 
LiquidNuke said:
The more tape I watch the more convinced I am that Jouban is going to sleep.... Jouban was dropped hard and hurt by a... what else... right hand from Matt Dwyer in the first round of their bout. Jouban was 33 then, and 36 now, and just lost by first round stoppage against Niko Prico because he was crumpled by a... big right hand.
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Legit asking cause I didn't dig deep into this one, have you seen him dropped or hurt by a counter right hand? If memory serves me right he almost always gets hurt at the end of guys punches as they are coming forward..

My recollection was Jouban pretty much laying waste to Dwyer outside of an illegal knee in rd1
 
Stunna77 said:
Legit asking cause I didn't dig deep into this one, have you seen him dropped or hurt by a counter right hand? If memory serves me right he almost always gets hurt at the end of guys punches as they are coming forward..

My recollection was Jouban pretty much laying waste to Dwyer outside of an illegal knee in rd1
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You're right, he did beat up Dwyer outside of getting tagged early, but it to me just shows the level of vulnerability around him, especially early on.

He does seem to always get tagged at the end of punches, not so much with counters... Saunder's was just wading forward on jelly legs landing combos on him in a kamikaze kind of last stand and that's a red flag to me.
 
Stunna77 said:
Legit asking cause I didn't dig deep into this one, have you seen him dropped or hurt by a counter right hand? If memory serves me right he almost always gets hurt at the end of guys punches as they are coming forward..

My recollection was Jouban pretty much laying waste to Dwyer outside of an illegal knee in rd1
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That's how Price beat him. Right hand counter to Jouban's outside leg kick. Dwyer did similar as Jouban tried a punch combo but seemed to catch Jouban more off balance than rocking him terribly.
 
Anders is hesitant at times but you have to look at who he fought.

- Machida (runs the whole fight)
- Elias (king of avoiding fights)
- Williams (had the takedown threat and decent subs)

Khalil is dangerous for a round and I don’t think Anders will chase him to land the left hand. If Anders is hesitant he will rather wait for Khalil to commit in this fight to take him down. Most likely we will see him wrestle right in the first round like he did against Marreta.
 
Khalil vs Anders is a tough fight to call and from a betting perspective it's dog or pass. If you're paying the juice on Anders anywhere around -200 then you are a sucker, period. Anders is such a dumbie and can't be trusted win fights his his low output and lack of urgency.

Anders hasn't gotten any better since joining the UFC, if anything he's gotten worse and exposed the holes in his game. He followed a 40 year old Machida around for 25 minutes and did nothing. Lost the 1st round to Tim Williams because he wouldn't pull the trigger. His lack of output and urgency vs Elias costed him the fight and showed he hasn't learned and evolved from the Machida fight.

Khalil has his own issues, mainly his cardio and energy management. His BJJ is suspect but he does have some TDD and he knows how to get off his back, he won't be easy for Anders to takedown while he's fresh. And obviously Khalil is a better, faster, more powerful striker than Anders. Khalil also the real 205er here, same height but thicker build.

I doubt I'll have any action but here but I totally understand taking a shot on Khalil

if you bet on Anders you deserve to lose, what a bum
 
Dianabol said:
Khalil vs Anders is a tough fight to call and from a betting perspective it's dog or pass. If you're paying the juice on Anders anywhere around -200 then you are a sucker, period. Anders is such a dumbie and can't be trusted win fights his his low output and lack of urgency.

Anders hasn't gotten any better since joining the UFC, if anything he's gotten worse and exposed the holes in his game. He followed a 40 year old Machida around for 25 minutes and did nothing. Lost the 1st round to Tim Williams because he wouldn't pull the trigger. His lack of output and urgency vs Elias costed him the fight and showed he hasn't learned and evolved from the Machida fight.

Khalil has his own issues, mainly his cardio and energy management. His BJJ is suspect but he does have some TDD and he knows how to get off his back, he won't be easy for Anders to takedown while he's fresh. And obviously Khalil is a better, faster, more powerful striker than Anders. Khalil also the real 205er here, same height but thicker build.

I doubt I'll have any action but here but I totally understand taking a shot on Khalil

if you bet on Anders you deserve to lose, what a bum
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Everyone bets Anders = Diana comes along and tells everyone there all bums for doing it.

Also lack of urgency? The guy relentlessly went for takedowns on Santos for 3 rounds which is exactly what he needs to do here. Also where is anyone advocating a -200 play on Anders? He's still available well below that and thats after his line moved considerably.
 
LiquidNuke said:
The more tape I watch the more convinced I am that Jouban is going to sleep.... Jouban was dropped hard and hurt by a... what else... right hand from Matt Dwyer in the first round of their bout. Jouban was 33 then, and 36 now, and just lost by first round stoppage against Niko Prico because he was crumpled by a... big right hand.
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Gunnar also hurt him bad with a straight right before submitting him
 
Jordan3399 said:
Everyone bets Anders = Diana comes along and tells everyone there all bums for doing it.

Also lack of urgency? The guy relentlessly went for takedowns on Santos for 3 rounds which is exactly what he needs to do here. Also where is anyone advocating a -200 play on Anders? He's still available well below that and thats after his line moved considerably.
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The Santos fight was different, outlier performance, Anders was fearing for his life and went full survival mode, he only wrestled as much as he did because he was scared to strike. And he never had much success grappling, he got TD's but did nothing with them, Santos got up easy.

Knowing Anders and his intelligence, he'll probably try to kickbox Khalil. You seriously can't trust this guy to win fights at this point. He loses fights that he's meant to win and all his recent performances have been disappointing, losing 3 of his last 4. And even in the fight he won vs Williams, he's like a -1000 favorite and he can't even win the 1st round and then his corner has to beg him to pull the trigger and do something.

Anders isn't going to get any better either, he's not doing what it takes to evolve, he's still at that bum gym that has bum coaches and no training partners.
 
raketmannen said:
Gunnar also hurt him bad with a straight right before submitting him
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Yeah, in that one his legs did that crazy "My brains are scrambled" dance and everything... I'm convinced his punch resistance is at least questionable. His real issue is how easy he makes it for himself to get hit. Gunnar could have just TKO'ed him but chose to grab the neck...
 
Dianabol said:
The Santos fight was different, outlier performance, Anders was fearing for his life and went full survival mode, he only wrestled as much as he did because he was scared to strike. And he never had much success grappling, he got TD's but did nothing with them, Santos got up easy.

Knowing Anders and his intelligence, he'll probably try to kickbox Khalil. You seriously can't trust this guy to win fights at this point. He loses fights that he's meant to win and all his recent performances have been disappointing, losing 3 of his last 4. And even in the fight he won vs Williams, he's like a -1000 favorite and he can't even win the 1st round and then his corner has to beg him to pull the trigger and do something.

Anders isn't going to get any better either, he's not doing what it takes to evolve, he's still at that bum gym that has bum coaches and no training partners.
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Jeez its like Ya Boi stabbed your mom to death or something.
 
Dianabol said:
Anders isn't going to get any better either, he's not doing what it takes to evolve, he's still at that bum gym that has bum coaches and no training partners.
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He's at Factory X now
 
Dianabol said:
You guys wanna bet on a real fighter, then you bet Zelim Imadaev

victory is ours inshallah alhamdulillah
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You're better off playing a juiced Anders line than that false hype train. Just cause his team call him Zabit 2.0 doesn't make him great, and based of the footage available you can see that he's just not. Griffin probably tools him the same as he did to Perry, spamming spinning elbows and flying knees might work vs Russian cans but there's a reason no top guys do.
 
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