Prime Fedor, Anderson, Aldo and Jones

[Perrichet]

lol so andersons injury against a guy gsp would never in a million years fight, equals getting flatlined in an undeserved title fight by a 5'1 .500 lw journeyman. Ok that makes a lot of sense, I guess I was wrong about everything.

“Anderson’s injury“

Lol

 

[ThunderStruck]

lol so andersons injury against a guy gsp would never in a million years fight, equals getting flatlined in an undeserved title fight by a 5'1 .500 lw journeyman. Ok that makes a lot of sense, I guess I was wrong about everything.

Thats was not an injury. Get your facts straight, idiot.

 

[MartinGibson86]

They were killers because GSP's absence allowed them to have accomplishments

No way. Best wins are Shields and Hendricks.

One was a robbery, o3-2 decision.

Woofleys best wins are easily as good...better really.

Gastelum and WB beat everyone GSP ever beat.

 

[Franklin U.]

Prime Silva lost to two small japanese fighters at 28 and 29 years old.

So scratch him off your list and replace him with GSP, the true GOAT.

This is mma, bub. Fighters hit there " primes" in different timelines. This is first day white belt shit. When Anderson became " Anderson ", he was beatable but people were afraid to totally commit to the blueprint of beating Anderson .....because of his violent beatings he was handing out to some pretty good fighters. Gsps division was just as anemic( worse) back in the day and he had to just go on a run of 25 minute smotherfests ( which his goat wrestling allowed him to do so ). He then had to get bloodied in a win vs Carlos and then Rigg took him behind the woodshed.

GSP is 170 goat - no denying that but his fight IQ was so good at one point and was afraid to put it to use.

I can never put gsp ahead of Anderson. I have no horse in race , either ( I do prefer Anderson s style).

There are so many variables to these goat talks , its impossible for everyone to be on lion share of same page. Even " on paper " which is easy to count defenses but the who's , time period / when's or even " when" they beat the " who " is not easy to ascertain.

 

[HHJ]

Gastelum and WB beat everyone GSP ever beat.

yahh pssh after he was done with em

 

[dildos]

"some karate guy"?
Ryo Chonan was no slouch bro, and feared no man. Look at his schedule in PRIDE:

• Newton
• Silva
• Carneiro
• Schembri
• Baroni
• Hendo

It takes HUGE BALLS to take those six guys within ONE YEAR like he did, let alone win 4/6 - which he also did!

Ok. Boomer.

lets just not pretend Chonan was someone anderson was meant to beat easily imo.

infact lets pretend that was Candersons hardest fight ever.

 

[Yung Goku]

There was definitely something magical about watching Silva in his prime. Reminds me of Pacquiao when he was demolishing people or Roy Jones.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

No way. Best wins are Shields and Hendricks.

One was a robbery, o3-2 decision.

Woofleys best wins are easily as good...better really.

Gastelum and WB beat everyone GSP ever beat.

In what universe is either Hendricks (champ with one title defense which he lost) and (Shields (never UFC champ) a better win than Matt Hughes (one of the dominant UFC champs with many successful title defenses, considered P4P best for awhile)?

Moreover, Hughes finished GSP the first time they fought. Hendricks should have won a 48-47 decision against GSP, but didn't come close to finishing him -- in fact, GSP won the last round, meaning he finished stronger than Hendricks did. And Shields didn't even out-point GSP. You're saying two guys who couldn't even come close to finishing GSP are better wins than a guy who did finish GSP? Seriously?

That is a weird statement even by Sherdog standards. Hughes will be remembered long after Hendricks and Shields are forgotten. It makes your assessment so incredibly biased as to be worthless.

 

[MartinGibson86]

In what universe is either Hendricks (champ with one title defense which he lost) and (Shields (never UFC champ) a better win than Matt Hughes (one of the dominant UFC champs with many successful title defenses, considered P4P best for awhile)?

That is a weird statement even by Sherdog standards. Hughes will be remembered long after Hendricks and Shields are forgotten. It makes your assessment so incredibly biased as to be worthless.

GSP beating Hughes is like Weidman beating Anderson. It might have been a fluke (Hughes finished GSP the first time), but people will remember GSP did it. Almost no one will remember GSP beating either Shields or Hendricks, because neither of them were dominant champs.

Hughes was past his prime and like 45 fights ingo his career when GSP beat him. Hes also like 8 years older than GSP.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Hughes was past his prime and like 45 fights ingo his career when GSP beat him. Hes also like 8 years older than GSP.

Yup. And still a much better win than Shields and Hendricks. Two years before Hughes finished GSP. Hendricks should have won a 48-47 decision against GSP (but lost the last round, meaning GSP ended up in better fighting shape than Hendricks did at the end of the fight). Shields didn't even outpoint GSP. Even old Hughes was a much better win than Hendricks or Shields.

I'm always amazed how much credit Hendricks gets for a close fight against GSP (Hendricks should have got the decision), and how little credit Hughes and Serra get for actually finishing GSP. Its as if a close fight is seen as doing better than finishing a fighter.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Yup. And still a much better win than Shields and Hendricks. Two years before Hughes finished GSP. Hendricks should have won a 48-47 decision against GSP (but lost the last round, meaning GSP ended up in better fighting shape than Hendricks did at the end of the fight). Shields didn't even outpoint GSP. Even old Hughes was a much better win than Hendricks or Shields.

Why, pray tell, were the Shields and Hendricks fights light years more competetive?

 

[Hotora86]

Ok. Boomer.

lets just not pretend Chonan was someone anderson was meant to beat easily imo.

infact lets pretend that was Candersons hardest fight ever.

You joined Sdog in 2011 and you're calling me "boomer"?
I guess you were 10 when you joined. OK zoomer.

 

[Intellidamus]

You can always tell an uneducated or biased fan when they try to proclaim a fight that hinged on one round as a “robbery”. Especially when that round could only be scored a 10-9 either way or a 10-10.
Sherdog never change.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Why, pray tell, were the Shields and Hendricks fights light years more competitive?

They went to decisions, which is competitive by definition. Both fighters are still in the game in a decision, neither is beaten. Hughes and Serra finished GSP the first time around. There's nothing competitive about being finished -- one fighter is 100% beaten.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Ok. Boomer.

lets just not pretend Chonan was someone anderson was meant to beat easily imo.

infact lets pretend that was Candersons hardest fight ever.

Well, being finished is the definition of a hard fight. Anderson was finished in other fights, so Chonan wasn't necessarily his hardest (I'd say the first Weidman fight was his hardest -- finished and broken shin is a very hard combo). But it was up there.

 

[Summoning]

Fedor was knocked out by a middleweight. GSP tapped to strikes 5'6" BJJ guy. Anderson lost to Japanese scrubs with subpar records. Aldo lost to a guy who doesn't even have a Wikipedia page.

And you are a nobody with a 0-0 record.

You welcome.

 

[Uncommon Valor]

And you are a nobody with a 0-0 record.

You welcome.

You seem upset.

 

[MartinGibson86]

They went to decisions, which is competitive by definition. Both fighters are still in the game in a decision, neither is beaten. Hughes and Serra finished GSP the first time around. There's nothing competitive about being finished -- one fighter is 100% beaten.

We're talking qbout GSPs wins dude.

 

[eiyuu]

I'd rather have a prime steak

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

We're talking qbout GSPs wins dude.

I'd say its because Hughes had a bad night his second fight against GSP -- that's common in sports. The better long run side sometimes loses. Hughes was good enough to finish GSP once. That makes him, at least relative to GSP, a better fighter than Shields and Hendricks. Hughes also was a champion for a long time. That makes him a better fighter than Shields and Hendricks by just about every other measure. So beating Hughes was a much bigger achievement for GSP than beating Shields and Hughes -- and that's what's meant by best win.

If you're going by GSP's closest (ie most competitive) fights, then the first fight with Penn was the closest. Its also his second most damaging fight (after Serra) -- after the first Penn fight GSP went straight to the hospital, no press conference. After Hendricks GSP went straight to the press conference -- ie Hendricks didn't do as much damage to GSP as Penn did.
And GSP's fight with Karo was closer than his fight with Shields -- Karo, twice got close to getting a submission, Shields never came anywhere close to that. So I'd say GSP's two most competitive fights were Hendricks (GSP should have lost, but it hangs on one very close round, the first round) and the first BJ Penn fight (and I'd argue that GSP should have lost that one too). The third most competitive was Karo (who came close to winning twice), and the fourth Shields.

And actually Bisping was beating GSP (who hadn't earned a title shot at MW or WW after four years of retirement, and was so out of shape it looked like he hadn't trained more than five minutes in four years -- seriously, in no real sport would someone who hadn't done anything in four years get a shot at the title) until GSP caught him with the hook. However GSP did finish Bisping, and that's all that matters.