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MMA Time Soldier said:
Problems is doctor salaries are way too high in America and the doctor's aren't going to want to give that up to move to a free healthcare system.
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A bigger problem is the cost of everything. Healthcare here is for profit and companies try to outbid each other. Capitalism has ruined this country. We need more diversity here in approach to take care of our people.
 
Frode Falch said:
I wonder how many (if any) healthy people died from this?

If we take away other things like overweight, underweight, cancer, weak heart, ashma, and drugs/smoking
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How many people that would've lived another 5-10 years with basic, common treatment died over they got this? I hate the idea that it's suddenly okay to sweep these people under the rug because they were sick. I'm not saying you're doing that.
 
Substance Abuse said:
How many people that would've lived another 5-10 years with basic, common treatment died over they got this? I hate the idea that it's suddenly okay to sweep these people under the rug because they were sick. I'm not saying you're doing that.
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I am not doing that at all. Everybody got someone they love, who are in the group of people who would get very sick from this.

Like my parents who have been heavy smokers all their adult life. Ect.

Its just important to know how this works.

Every death is horrible either way.
 
God knows. For example, one 25 years old pro athlete died from stroke WITHOUT any viruses.
Not combat sport, pro in ice hockey team.
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Some from these old smokers& alcoholics are tough like from stone, never got casual fly etc.
There of course, when cirrosis and/ or pancreatitis start to develop, then they are more weak etc.
 
General_Speckz said:
First one I agree with and were going to have to constantly point this out to people in this thread.

Deaths.. Because cross-disease mortality is so predominant a week or two ago I tried to get some data from the WHO's website about deaths in the states from illness/disease (as opposed to violence/suicide/birth) and their numbers from 2016 were about double what the UN and CDC are reporting total deaths that year. I asked them if this could be attributed to dying from multiple causes but they sent back some prepackaged press email apologizing because they're busy, etc.

Anyway I gave up and based my model on the elderly, but the high rate of deaths from NY state might be indicative of unhealthy lifestyle or pollution-related factors. They're definitely higher than they should be but I should double check my sources for MY elderly demographics later, too.

Saw someone speeding on the highway yesterday with NY stickers on their SUV. Reminds me of how I'd see a bunch of Louisiana plates further north after Katrina. Highway Patrol has been more actuve, thankfully perhaps to discourage asylum seekers that will spread this faster to places that haven't been hit hard, yet.
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On the other hand..cant blame ppl to want to gtfo nyc

As far as deaths..4 factors seem to determine the rate

Firstly the type of strain..there appear to be 3 main ones each with different mortality

Secondly the viral load..the higher the deadlier

Thirdly healthcare capacity..ventilator shortage will exacerbate it

Fourthly an individual's immune system strength (age and health factor)
 
Parmenides said:
On the other hand..cant blame ppl to want to gtfo nyc

As far as deaths..4 factors seem to determine the rate

Firstly the type of strain..there appear to be 3 main ones each with different mortality

Secondly the viral load..the higher the deadlier

Thirdly healthcare capacity..ventilator shortage will exacerbate it

Fourthly an individual's immune system strength (age and health factor)
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Where did you hear about three types of strains?
 
Parmenides said:
On the other hand..cant blame ppl to want to gtfo nyc

As far as deaths..4 factors seem to determine the rate

Firstly the type of strain..there appear to be 3 main ones each with different mortality

Secondly the viral load..the higher the deadlier

Thirdly healthcare capacity..ventilator shortage will exacerbate it

Fourthly an individual's immune system strength (age and health factor)
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Yeah, there's a lot of stuff I guess.

Dunno, reading some old books about demographics for the Spanish Flu right now:

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/te...luenza-a-survey?page=root;size=100;view=image
(This one is really good but nearly impossible to read.)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/4575511.pdf
(This one is a source for the other one, just looking through it the first time.)

They're saying that white women had higher infection rates than white men when adjusting per capita. Black people, overall, had lower infection rates given similar housing. I would say maybe low testosterone is a contributing factor to infection rate and/or morbidity, but the Indians (dot) were better off than the Britain populations. Not sure how those would compare..

But, then you look across the country and all the black people are dying right now:

https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-ju...n-why-are-black-people-dying-at-higher-rates/
If you can stomach the ACLU, seems like they're saying all the black people are dying because they're stuck doing the service jobs where they can't go home and they have poor health insurance, etc.

Oh yeah, something interesting I found in those old books about the Spanish Flu. Italians were hit HARD by the Spanish Flu. Probably the high % of elderly back then just as reports have been guessing is the cause for the higher morbidity in Italy right now? But, guess where all the Italians live in the U.S.???

Yup. NY.

But, check this out. Maybe Italians don't have a lot of the auto-immune system diseases the other races have like Crohn's which is endemic to a genetic profile with an over-active immune system. This would mean other races average lifespan would be lower (I checked, it is, by a year or two), but they can then resist pandemics easier. So, it's possible the younger Italians more susceptible to this and other flu-like diseases right now. We could also tie this back to diet, since Italians eat less animal fats, they of course would be less resistant to flu-like viruses coming from animals!
 
General_Speckz said:
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff I guess.

Dunno, reading some old books about demographics for the Spanish Flu right now:

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/te...luenza-a-survey?page=root;size=100;view=image
(This one is really good but nearly impossible to read.)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/4575511.pdf
(This one is a source for the other one, just looking through it the first time.)

They're saying that white women had higher infection rates than white men when adjusting per capita. Black people, overall, had lower infection rates given similar housing. I would say maybe low testosterone is a contributing factor to infection rate and/or morbidity, but the Indians (dot) were better off than the Britain populations. Not sure how those would compare..

But, then you look across the country and all the black people are dying right now:

https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-ju...n-why-are-black-people-dying-at-higher-rates/
If you can stomach the ACLU, seems like they're saying all the black people are dying because they're stuck doing the service jobs where they can't go home and they have poor health insurance, etc.

Oh yeah, something interesting I found in those old books about the Spanish Flu. Italians were hit HARD by the Spanish Flu. Probably the high % of elderly back then just as reports have been guessing is the cause for the higher morbidity in Italy right now? But, guess where all the Italians live in the U.S.???

Yup. NY.

But, check this out. Maybe Italians don't have a lot of the auto-immune system diseases the other races have like Crohn's which is endemic to a genetic profile with an over-active immune system. This would mean other races average lifespan would be lower (I checked, it is, by a year or two), but they can then resist pandemics easier. So, it's possible the younger Italians more susceptible to this and other flu-like diseases right now. We could also tie this back to diet, since Italians eat less animal fats, they of course would be less resistant to flu-like viruses coming from animals!
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Some of it sounds like conjecture and some legit..italy probably got hit with a deadlier strain and they were short on ventilators

My theory on black ppl is that they are more social and..just like old italians..are more likely to ignore social distancing
 
Fuck. I read in this thread that cov19 has different strains. Is this 100% confirmed? Does that mean beating 1 doesn't help with the others?

Can't imagine international travel reopening anytime soon, if multiple strains are runnning around. Gonna be a lot of 0laces going the isolationist way of North Korea.
 
GSP_37 said:
Didn't the Mooch declare he had the best instincts of all time? That was before the Mooch became enlightened and started shit talking him again.
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who is this mooch you speech of?
 
SugarKrok said:
Fuck. I read in this thread that cov19 has different strains. Is this 100% confirmed? Does that mean beating 1 doesn't help with the others?

Can't imagine international travel reopening anytime soon, if multiple strains are runnning around. Gonna be a lot of 0laces going the isolationist way of North Korea.
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There's at least eight different strains, but they're all relatively similar. Even if you got this, your immunity would last maybe one or two years max. This will be seasonal, which is why a vaccine is needed, like the flu, so that you don't get it every few years.
 
MMA Time Soldier said:
Problems is doctor salaries are way too high in America and the doctor's aren't going to want to give that up to move to a free healthcare system.
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Problem really is that the insurance company broke the model for billing first by allowing a 30k a day rate at almost min for any type of overnight stay. Oh and that, that encouraged labs to charge redic fees. And so on and so on until you get bills with like 15k line items written off when it should just be like a 600.00 fee.

Doctors in other countries that are first world still make bank. Has everything to do with out broken "capitalism fixes everything " insurance system.
 
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