Stipe's wins are far better than Fedor's

[basedgodfedor]

3-4 as well. Mir, Browne, BigFoot and Schaub

So you’re saying that’s Arlovski’s peak? Not when he dusted Rothwell and Nelson and beat Werdum (boringly)?

 

[basedgodfedor]

So in AA 21 years long career he was at his peak for just 2,5 years? Like only 10% of his career? Very reasonable

That was him in top form, aka peak yes. He was still very good when he went on that second run, but he was never ranked number 2 again. How is that hard to comprehend

 

[mjfan23]

Stipe rules the worst division in HW History AA, Big Ben and Reem are among the dinosaurs that won in the last month or so

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Stipe rules the worst division in HW History AA, Big Ben and Reem are among the dinosaurs that won in the last month or so

HW has always been the worst division in MMA history.. A lot of big stiffs..

 

[GOATtalks]

Are you saying Hendo is a bad fighter?

No, but he’s a MW. Many Sherbros are acting like Fedor and Nog are 2 best HW of all time. Losing to a MW doesn’t help their narrative

 

[GOATtalks]

So you’re saying that’s Arlovski’s peak? Not when he dusted Rothwell and Nelson and beat Werdum (boringly)?

My point is we can’t say for sure which Arlovski was better, the one beaten by Fedor or by Stipe. They are equally good wins

 

[GOATtalks]

That was him in top form, aka peak yes. He was still very good when he went on that second run, but he was never ranked number 2 again. How is that hard to comprehend

He might have been at his peak than and he might’ve not. Point is you can’t discredit Stipe’s win over AA, just because it wasn’t in 2009. AA was on a roll before Stipe’s fight

 

[Roljo]

1. DC
2. Ngannou
3. Werdum
4. Overeem
5. JDS
6. Arlovski
7. Gonzaga
8. Hunt
9. Nelson
10. del Rosario

1. Big Nog
2. Cro Cop
3. Arlovski
4. Coleman
5. Sylvia
6. Hunt
7. Randleman
8. Mir
9. Herring
10. Schilt

HW GOAT, deal with it

DC, ngannou, jds, overeem and werdum are great wins. But he got knocked out by old, worn out DC and also lost to JDS and won against really battered version. Fedor didn't lose in his prime.

Stipe might have one of the best resumes at hw but he definitely is not the best hw fighter ever. JDS, DC, arguably pre injury cain, were better than him, maybe Fedor and Crocop too.

 

[Roljo]

He might have been at his peak than and he might’ve not. Point is you can’t discredit Stipe’s win over AA, just because it wasn’t in 2009. AA was on a roll before Stipe’s fight

He was on a roll but he was surprising people and "over performing", all those fights he won he was the underdog and for a reason.

 

[Dionysian]

1. Saw the thread title
2. Came in solely to see the account's join date (May 2020)
3. Didn't leave disappointed / did not read any of the OP

Post from your fucking real account.

 

[wbubbles]

It's worth bearing in mind that DC only won the Strikeforce GP because Ubereem, Strikeforce's own HW champ, didn't give a shit about it and bowed out of the semi-finals after beating Werdum to sign with the UFC instead. Because of this, DC got to take his spot having won the alternate bout against Monson. So the whole tourney was rather devalued by that point, and DC never had to beat one of the opening round killers.

Which is important as had DC been in Overeem's spot from the beginning, he'd have almost assuredly lost the opening round against Werdum. From 2008-2016 Werdum only ever lost that Overeem, which was competitive during peak Ubereem/K-1 Reem fight due to his vastly improved striking, and still amazing BJJ. Cormier would've lost that fight either on the feet or on the ground.

DC benefitted greatly from where the other great fighters were, or rather weren't. Just like he has elsewhere in his career.

Im not even taking into consideration the tourney itself. Im saying just looking at cormiers fights against barnett and bigfoot, two proven hw vets (bigfoot wasnt far removed from his destruction of fedor at the time).. just looking at those fights alone in a vaccuum (say they werent part of a tourney), cormier was very impressive. So nice try trying to discredit his wins by saying "so. He didnt foght so and so..." Also, making up a completely hypothetical narrative of him losing to werdum in some alternste reality is just that.. imaginary. So that doesnt help your argument either. Theres no way to know who would have won that.. or a DV vs overeem fight. Also, your 2 great fighters overeem and verdum both lost to stipe, who DC beat (though finger poking). All im saying is DC deserves credit as a great hw. And im no DC fan. I think his finger pokes have gotten out of control and i hope whomever he fights next smashes him and he goes away.

 

[Titan1980]

They appear pretty similar to me. Stipe has more potential but doesnt appear keen to fight ofren right now. I hope he does.

 

[Undefeated Undisputed]

You've clearly never actually seen Arona fight... nor the Arona-Fedor fight itself.

I saw it buddy. The ref stood up fedor and arona when Arona was in FULL MOUNT. lol.
Fedor is lucky Arona wasn't allowed to punch his head on the ground.

 

[Undefeated Undisputed]

What's the reason you hate Fedor so much? It's really cringey to see how much you bash him. You're allowed to have an opinion but it's obvious to anyone who watched Fedor fight that he was starting to decline before his loss to Werdum. Injuries pile up over a 10 plus year career (he broke his hands like ten times), and as a small heavyweight, once Fedors reaction times slowed down he was in trouble.

I don't hate him. I think he was the best HW for about 2003 to 2005. The problem is that he is also one of the most overrated fighters in MMA history. People think he really was the best HW for the ENTIRE period of 2000 to 2010, which is absolute bullshit.

The dude ducked the UFC twice, had some really shady looking fights like his fights against Sonnen and Rampage, and ducked overeem in strikeforce.

Perhaps you weren't there when Team Fedor was demanding co promotion and a stadium to be built in Russia for a UFC contract lol.

I'm actually a Fedor fan. He had very exciting fights. I'm just sensible.

 

[Undefeated Undisputed]

who could forget the myriad of ground and pound clinics we saw from Arona in PRIDE. so numerous I cant actually remember a single one of them

Who else in Pride did Arona have in full mount for pretty much half of the fight? lmao.

Do you think Arona needs extra training to throw punches to Fedor's head while he is in full mount? lol.

 

[basedgodfedor]

No, but he’s a MW. Many Sherbros are acting like Fedor and Nog are 2 best HW of all time. Losing to a MW doesn’t help their narrative

He’s not just a MW he has fought at LHW and HW, that’s like saying if Conor wins some fights at WW whoever he beats “lost to a featherweight”. Some people cut weight some people don’t. It’s not like Fedor is some giant either

 

[basedgodfedor]

My point is we can’t say for sure which Arlovski was better, the one beaten by Fedor or by Stipe. They are equally good wins

No, rankings are there for a reason and beating Arlovski while ranked number 2 in the world is a better win. That’s why ppl include top 5 Nd top 10 wins when discussing resumes of fighters

 

[basedgodfedor]

He might have been at his peak than and he might’ve not. Point is you can’t discredit Stipe’s win over AA, just because it wasn’t in 2009. AA was on a roll before Stipe’s fight

I’m personally not discrediting it (maybe others are) but Fedors win was more impressive over Arlovski I’m 09 due to rankings etc. watch Arlovski vs Rothwell he was a murderer then. Either way Fedor and Stipe sent his career trajectory in the wrong direction.. poor Pitbull

 

[Cranberry2.0]

I don't hate him. I think he was the best HW for about 2003 to 2005. The problem is that he is also one of the most overrated fighters in MMA history. People think he really was the best HW for the ENTIRE period of 2000 to 2010, which is absolute bullshit.

The dude ducked the UFC twice, had some really shady looking fights like his fights against Sonnen and Rampage, and ducked overeem in strikeforce.

Perhaps you weren't there when Team Fedor was demanding co promotion and a stadium to be built in Russia for a UFC contract lol.

I'm actually a Fedor fan. He had very exciting fights. I'm just sensible.

Why is it bullshit? He was undefeated up until his loss to Werdum over ten years into his career. Fedor was pretty much the unanimous goat according to most people during this time, so why would he settle for anything but the absolute best deal for himself? No one really knows how the negotiations went between the two parties.


As for the fights you mentioned, you'll have to come up with a more compelling argument. The Sonnen fight was legit, while the Rampage fight was very questionable. However, those fights are about a decade removed from his 31-0 start. Who cares?

 

[Undefeated Undisputed]

Why is it bullshit? He was undefeated up until his loss to Werdum over ten years into his career. Fedor was pretty much the unanimous goat according to most people during this time, so why would he settle for anything but the absolute best deal for himself? No one really knows how the negotiations went between the two parties.


As for the fights you mentioned, you'll have to come up with a more compelling argument. The Sonnen fight was legit, while the Rampage fight was very questionable. However, those fights are about a decade removed from his 31-0 start. Who cares?

I just explained why it's bullshit. Fedor ducked the UFC TWICE. And he ducked Overeem. Do you know what that includes? Lesnar, Couture, Gonzaga, Kongo, Carwin, Cain, JDS, Overeem.

So it's bad enough that he ducked the fights that everyone wanted to see. But then he gets finished 3x in a row in strikeforce, including once by a middleweight. He ducked so many fighters and STILL got finished in devastating fashion.

Then he comes back and then gets demolished by Maldonado and Mitrione, and then he has funny looking fights with sonnen and rampage

And what do you think chael is saying to fedor here? lol