International Zimbabwe: White Farmers in The Former "Breadbasket of Africa" Frustrated as Government Fails to Honor Compensation For Mugabe’s Brutal Land Grab.

[shinkyoku]

Oh shut up. Before colonization sub saharan africans had not even develloped a written language or even invented the wheel.

What they did do was prey on and kill and rape each other regularly never allowing themselves to blossom into a civilization. They were one of the most savage people on the face of the planet. Acts of kindness and compassion were considered weaknesses to be exploited

Colonists basically moved into unclaimed land, unadulterated bushfield, built cities and had law and order and the locals flocked to them, agreeing to follow their rule to taste in their prosperity

Learn!

 

[Ultra O’Dia]

Oh shut up. Before colonization sub saharan africans had not even develloped a written language or even invented the wheel.

What they did do was prey on and kill and rape each other regularly never allowing themselves to blossom into a civilization. They were one of the most savage people on the face of the planet. Acts of kindness and compassion were considered weaknesses to be exploited

Colonists basically moved into unclaimed land, unadulterated bushfield, built cities and had law and order and the locals flocked to them, agreeing to follow their rule to taste in their prosperity

The only violent invaders in South Africa were the Zulus. They killed and raped millions of the native Khoisan people.

 

[The ScorpioN]

The only violent invaders in South Africa were the Zulus. They killed and raped millions of the native Khoisan people.

You see it was their farming prowess that eradicated half the continent. Thats why they're asking for white farmers to come back.

 

[Halifax]

Learn!

Learn what? That you are going to blur the line with civilized border countries of Sub Saharan Africa with Deep southern Africa?

Intellectual dishonesty bud.

Zimbabwe and South Africa were savage, nearly stone age tribes with no written languages and no wheel when colonization began.

 

[lifelessheap]

Everything went fine until China started acting like a piece of shit tyrant. What was the problem with the arrangement as it was, until the last couple of years?



They had issues even before the Brits left. The reason why the partition was so hastily put together, was in order to avoid a civil war, since the two parties were already massacring each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Action_Day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_Bihar_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noakhali_riots



The UK went along with the U.N.'s recommendation, when it comes to Israel and Palestine. Palestine originally had a much bigger territory, Israel just ended up conquering all their shit.



Brits are a large part of why they have Zimbabwe in the first place, since they solidly placed their support behind the blacks instead of white Rhodesians.



It was stupid shit no doubt but that's in the past. We can't treat 1980's like it was yesterday at this point, it has been 30-40 years. Overall the Brits bowed out pretty gracefully compared to most Empires.

The Brits were white, so they are always to be blamed.

But hey, in a hundred years they will be gone.

Because progress?

 

[The ScorpioN]

The Brits were white, so they are always to be blamed.

But hey, in a hundred years they will be gone.

Because progress?

I remember @PrinceOfPain said something very profound. Along the lines of when Europe invests into helping Africa, they're colonizers because they also expect some respect of civilized norms and human rights. When China does it they don't give a fuck whether albinos are butchered for potions or neighbors eat each other. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[original doom]

I imagine their descendants would. But even if not they can use this opportunity to get the best farmers from south Africa or other places in the world and incentivize them to stay. Government could use surplus of crops to sell to neighboring countries. Fed country can start producing. Zimbabweans have somewhat of an education and that intellectual capital could then be put to good use.

i would be interested to hear from the children of these farmers because i have serious doubts about them returning or even if they have the skills to farm.

they should get chinese farmers.

 

[Bald1]

. Zimbabwe’s government maintains that the U.K., the former colonial power, should help pay the farmers. That’s unlikely to happen because the U.K. and most western governments criticized the seizures and the allocation of the properties to senior members of the ruling Zimbabwe African National Union-Patriotic Front party -- alongside allegations of human rights abuses.

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<Lmaoo>

Amazing inability of taking responsibility for ones actions. I'd say let them starve but it wouldn't be those responsible for this cockup who would starve.

 

[JohnMc]

Zimbabwe: UN warns food will run out ‘by the end of February’
The UN have painted a bleak picture of the year ahead, as the country braces for food shortages.
by Tom Head | 2020-01-01

Around half of all citizens in Zimbabwe are facing another grim reality ahead of 2020. The United Nations (UN) have warned that their food reserves – which go towards feeding millions of people in the country – will be gone by next month.

The startling claim comes as experts shared a horrific forecast. Our neighbours to the north are facing another dry, unforgiving season that threatens everything on the production line, from livestock to crops. Planted seeds have failed to germinate, and 2019’s maize is down 50% on 2018’s haul.

UN confirm food supply to Zimbabwe ‘will run out soon’

Niels Balzer is the World Food Programme’s (WFP) deputy country director. He has made it abundantly clear that Zimbabwe needs donations and pledges by the bucket-load (it’s estimated that about R3-billion is the desired total) to help stave-off the threat of drought and starvation. Around 200 000 metric tonnes of food is wanted to alleviate this crisis:

“As things stand, we will run out of food by end of February, coinciding with the peak of the hunger season – when needs are at their highest. Firm pledges are urgently needed as it can take up to three months for funding commitments to become food on people’s tables,”

“While WFP now has the staff, partners, trucking and logistics capacity in place for a major surge in Zimbabwe, it is essential that we receive the funding to be able to fully deliver. The lives of so many depend on this.”

UN forecast paints a bleak picture

According to the UN, the deepening hardship is forcing families to eat less, skip meals, take children out of school, sell off livestock and fall into a vicious cycle of debt. Stories of family members resorting to prostitution and sexual exploitation to survive have also been rife. The reports coming out of Zimbabwe are utterly devastating:

• Bread now costs 20 times more than what it did in July 2018.
• Maize prices have also tripled. This is due to rampant inflation and a lack of foreign currency flows in Zimbabwe.
• Around eight million Zimbabweans – or half the population – are officially “food insecure”.
• Due to logistical challenges, all emergency food supplies to Zimbabwe must come through South Africa or Mozambique. This could take months, and Balzer has stressed the need for officials to act urgently.

Furthermore, the country is also gripped by rolling blackouts. One of the main hydro-electric plants is too empty to function, reducing Zimbabwe’s generational capacity by a significant amount. It never rains, but it pours for Zimbabweans, who are facing yet another 21st-century disaster.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/zimbabwe/zimbabwe-food-shortages-drought-run-out-when/

Why should Whites care at this stage? Its clear to everyone with a brain that the UN, NGOs,etc and majority of Blacks want the Whites gone so why should we keep propping up people that hate us and want us dead?

 

[JohnMc]

Same thing will happen to the US when the whites are gone.

And Europe.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Is this $3.5 billion in Zimbabwe dollars? If so it’s worth about 10 cents.

 

[senri]

i would be interested to hear from the children of these farmers because i have serious doubts about them returning or even if they have the skills to farm.

they should get chinese farmers.

That wouldn't be a problem, the Boers from South Africa can be invited. Provide safe haven for them, and allow them to do what they do best.

 

[original doom]

That wouldn't be a problem, the Boers from South Africa can be invited. Provide safe haven for them, and allow them to do what they do best.

theres a drought in zimbabwe and south africa it does not make sense for boers to move to zimbabwe enmasse.

ive seen footage of a zimbabwean farmer returning and he was old, perhaps 70 odd.

 

[senri]

theres a drought in zimbabwe and south africa it does not make sense for boers to move to zimbabwe enmasse.

ive seen footage of a zimbabwean farmer returning and he was old, perhaps 70 odd.

Boers can make magic happen, their skills as farmers are some of the best in the world. The way they are being treated and hunted in South Africa would have them seek for greener pastures.

 

[Arkain2K]

Zambia is reaping the benefits of Zimbabwean farmers hounded off their land at the height of violent evictions against white land owners .

While Zimbabwe will need to import grain this season, Zambia's fortunes have been reversed.

i would be interested to hear from the children of these farmers because i have serious doubts about them returning or even if they have the skills to farm.

I don't understand this bizarre argument.

Why and how would these farming families forget how to farm, when they are currently applying their acricultural craft and thriving in neighboring countries like Zambia after their exile from Zimbabwe?

....You did read the first post in this thread, right?

Whether they would return or not is largely depends on the compensation amount, the land offering, and whether they are willing to take the gamble that the new land laws will be enforced with clarity and impartiality.

 

[evergreenrider]

<Lmaoo>

Amazing inability of taking responsibility for ones actions.

Sounds awfully familiar dont it?

 

[JSN]

Thyme have an huge problem on their hands and it gets very reductionist on both sides. They had an almost caste of white landowning farmers that they can’t replace. They also had a a lot of black skilled workers on these farms and their own who have been disenfranchised by the same horrible grift.

I think the far right has this view that if the white farmers were to return then everything would be made right overnight. I think reality is much more complicated than that.

There are a lot of exiles who with the right resources could for sure turn production around.

For sure this will fall on its face though even if these people return without a lot of people buying in that this program is in good faith and has proper long term support.

 

[Arkain2K]

Food-insecure Zimbabwe turns to Belarus to revive agriculture sector
March 6, 2020 by The Independent

PRESIDENT Emmerson Mnangagwa is planning to parcel out vast tracts of prime horticultural land to the Belarusian government in a deal that will see the eastern European nation farming and exporting produce globally while capacitating local farmers, the Zimbabwe Independent has learnt.

Deputy Agriculture minister Vangelis Haritatos confirmed the development in an interview although he said discussions were still in progress.The Belarusians are interested in investing in crop and livestock production, agro-processing, input supply and local manufacturing of farm mechanisation and irrigation equipment.

Apart from engaging in farming, the Belarusians will also enter into joint ventures with local farmers, after the authorities realised that most black farmers who benefitted from the 2000 fast-track land reform programme had failed to produce enough for the country, now considered one of the most food insecure nations, according to the World Food Programme.

The government is battling to contain a devastating food crisis, which is expected to worsen following another poor rainy season. The World Food Programme estimates that a total of 7,7 million Zimbabweans are facing hunger and will need to be assisted with food by as early as next month. These include 5,5 million rural Zimbabweans and 2,2 million urbanites.

Mnangagwa sees the new agriculture investment deal as a solution to hunger which security officials say has become a security threat.A government official told the Independent this week that a contingent of Belarusian officials will arrive in the coming weeks to assess land and “hopefully lock the deal”.

Haritatos said the deal would help improve security.“Their message is clear; they want to help the Republic of Zimbabwe become food and nutrition self-sufficient once again. They want us to produce enough of our own wheat, soya beans, maize, beef, dairy, poultry, and horticulture and export the excess into the region and the world,” Haritatos said.

“The Republic of Belarus has identified Zimbabwe’s need for economic growth and intends to achieve this through financial injection to boost agricultural production of selected commodities to supply our local market, as well as the Belarusian market while activating local agro-industry to enable the exporting of produce into the region.”

Commodities that the Belarusian government potentially wants to promote include wheat, maize, soya beans, beef, dairy, poultry and horticulture.

In September 2019, a high-powered delegation led by the Belarusian chief of presidential affairs, General Victor Sheiman, visited Zimbabwe to follow up on the investment deals, including agriculture.

“When finalisation of an agreement has been made, through joint ventures that will be modelled around the identified specific commodities, Zimbabwe will be further capacitated to produce, process, and market finished products not only for our local market, but also for the Belarusian and regional markets,” Haritatos said.

“No final agreement has been signed yet, although there has been a great deal of correspondence that has been taking place between our ministry and ministry officials from the Republic of Belarus.”

Under the deal, Belarus will provide funding for machinery, equipment and related infrastructure depending on the production, processing and marketing requirements of the commodities.

The Belarusians will also get land for farming exclusively. The eastern Europeans want to engage in horticultural activities on the land with the produce being exported to Belarus and other European markets.

Last year, Mnangagwa visited Belarus, where his government claimed he sealed a number of deals ranging from supply of machinery, and equipment for agriculture, dam construction and mining.

https://www.theindependent.co.zw/20...-turns-to-belarus-to-revive-agric-sector/amp/

Veteran Zimbabwe farmer pours cold water on $58 million mission from Belarus
By Chris Bishop | JULY 11, 2020

Veteran Zimbabwe farmer Ben Freeth poured cold water on a plan that’ll see trainers from the former Soviet republic of Belarus train a thousand farmers to till the soil in the former breadbasket of Africa.

This month a huge load of farm machinery is on its way across the Indian Ocean, in the bowels of a transport ship, on its way to Zimbabwe. A $58 million deal six grain harvesters, 100 tractors, 16 seed drills, five fifth wheel trucks, five semi-trailers are on their way from Belarus to the ports of Beira in Mozambique and Durban in South Africa. The shipment is expected by the end of July. Fourteen grain harvesters and 36 units of seed drills are already in Harare. Ships will bring another 20 grain harvester, 340 tractors and 138 seed drills to Zimbabwe by December 2020.

“Belarus is not known for its agricultural productivity. Their climate, soils, crops, pests and diseases and systems of production are different to ours. It’s difficult to believe how effective they will be in teaching us to farm,” says Freeth, the executive director of the Mike Campbell Foundation and a former regional executive officer of the Commercial Farmers’ Union, in Zimbabwe.

“Belarus tractors have never been known for their quality or power. They were never bought by Zimbabwe farmers in the past. Training up 1000 Zimbabwe farmers isn’t the answer. There are thousands of brilliant Zimbabwe farmers already. What we need is property rights and the rule of law. Sadly this Belarus scheme will fail the same as every other scheme has failed because property rights and the rule of law are so insecure and tenuous.”

The idea has been nurtured by the consul general for Zimbabwe in Belarus – Alexander Zingman. He is the head of AFTRADE DMCC and spends much time travelling between Zimbabwe and the country of his birth. The project is being financed through the Development Bank of Belarus supported by The Eastern and Southern African Trade and Development Bank. The export credit facility has been provided on a long-term basis with competitive interest rates.

“The aim is to totally mechanize agriculture in Zimbabwe using a comprehensive set of machinery – tractors, planters, harvesters and trucks – to cultivate and harvest maize and wheat. This will prevent the harvest losses that Zimbabwe normally faces. It will boost Zimbabwe’s food security and save the country valuable foreign currency. We will train each farmer who uses this modern equipment. More than 1,000 farmers will get special training courses in Zimbabwe. 10 specialists from Zimbabwe will also be sent to Belarus for two months for training at our manufacturing plants, “he says.

Ten trainers from Belarus are also in Harare, with five more on the way, in a year of training of farmers in Zimbabwe that is hoped will kick start a struggling industry that was once the pride of Africa.

The irony is that 30 years ago such a programme would have been looked upon as an agricultural equivalent of teaching your grandmother to suck eggs. In the 1980s and for most of the 90s Zimbabwe was the breadbasket of Africa with a small, efficient, band of mostly white farmers who fed Southern African and exported food to Europe. It couldn’t last amid the lack of a clear plan for organised land reform and growing political pressure.

When the farm invasions were unleashed by the people in power in 2000, it led to bloodshed and random confiscation that reaped a bitter harvest of lost production and exports that persists until this day. That year, with all of its fumbling fury, fuelled with the idea that to get rich you merely had to own a farm, is always seen as a turning point for the industry. It created a large slice of the country’s GDP and as it fell, so did the fortunes of Zimbabwe.

The World Bank Zimbabwe production figures for maize – that used to feed the region – tell the story. In 1996 Zimbabwe was growing more than 2.5 million mt of maize; by 2016 that figure had dropped to a mere 500,000 mt of maize. A further sign of lean times, according the World Bank, is that the fertilizer industry was at 75% capacity before 2000 and as low as 30% now. In the halcyon days of 1996, many Zimbabweans would have been incredulous at the idea of trainers and combine harvesters making their way half round the world to teach them farming. In difficult times for the Zimbabwe and its economy almost anything is worth a try.

https://www.cnbcafrica.com/economy/...on-58-million-mission-from-belarus-with-love/

 

[BEER]

I don't know a whole lot about the politics of this shit (if someone has a good tl;dr, that would be great) but if I were kicked out of a country for my skin color and their economy collapsed leading to the country begging me to come back....


Nah.

 

[Steve-French]

theres a drought in zimbabwe and south africa it does not make sense for boers to move to zimbabwe enmasse.


ive seen footage of a zimbabwean farmer returning and he was old, perhaps 70 odd.

The drought excuse is bullshit. I know a girl from South Africa. Her parents were farmers and were actually murdered by "natives" She said when these people would take over the farms they would sell everything down to gutting the irrigation systems that watered the crops.

There has been less rainfall, but it has only dropped by 10% in the 100 years. It's more of a mismanagement of municipalities and farms being gutted and abandoned.