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Good for you, that's a the right choice. Be your own man.
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Good for you, that's a the right choice. Be your own man.
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I agree, and I think (haven't looked at recent polls, though) that a strong majority of the country also does. But the thing is, without a huge increase in aid to state and local gov'ts (which is going to be a hard sell politically), they're getting the shit defunded out of them by necessity unless 2020 is another wave election.
Not asking, but OK. Talking about stuff like this: "They're one step away from being Republicans and most of them, without hesitation, would vote as such if Democrats actually moved left or a new leftist party emerged" or asserting that Biden would veto single payer, etc. It's precisely that kind of thing that keeps getting Republicans elected, which is the obstacle to any real left-ward move in policy, which is then justification for more refusal to vote (and voting third party is the same as sitting out).
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When you say it like that, it doesn't have quite the same ring to it, now does it?
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California?
For the record, I don't expect anyone to change their votes just because people point out that they're gullible and obnoxious and they're potentially hurting people. But it is what it is. IMO, a decent, responsible person has one choice.
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Bullied ? Don't be a snowflake .
The saying don't let the perfect be the enemy of good applies which is exactly what you're doing if you vote third party or spoil your ballot , you're doing exactly what Trump and his handlers want .
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I get it, man. They want everyone to step in line and vote to get Trump out.
You won't catch me disagreeing when people talk about horrible Trump is. And because of that, a lot of them (particularly on Twitter, but occasionally here as well), will just talk shit and name call and think they're right to do so.
I get it. You're scared of Trump. I'm scared of the status quo and the corporate bowing. Neither of those things change under either party.
Do modern democrats support any of the measures that I outlined as issues the left care about? I mean, you brought up the idea of Biden saying he would veto single-payer, and you're right, I exaggerated. He specifically said that "if by some miracle" it came across his desk, he would be worried about the cost and where the money comes from, despite the fact that we already spend a pretty tremendous amount of money on healthcare to begin with. He concern-trolled about raising taxes for the middle class and never mentioned tax-hikes for the wealthy as a way to help fund it. So no, he didn't directly say he'd veto it. You're right, I'm crazy to think the way he talked about it was utterly dismissive of the idea.
And yeah, your weenie scare tactics about "Republicans get elected because people don't vote for people they don't like" can fuck off. I'm not sitting out. I'm voting for who I think is the best candidate, not the most popular or not the most likely to win.
If Biden loses, it's his fault for not courting voters, not voters' fault for not voting for someone who doesn't give a shit about their causes.
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It’ll go great with your ear gauges.
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This is stupid.
The "liberal twitter" absolutely points out a really important point (if the reports are true, of course). There is a long history of governments, particularly right wing governments, disproportionately abusing women in both healthcare and detention settings. If they're conducting a sterilization campaign, the fact that they're using invasive procedures on women instead of outpatient procedures on men, that's a pretty remarkable thing. The liberal twitter person is making the valid argument that right wing brutality does and will be targeted against women and minorities disproportionately. She's not saying that sexism is the primary problem, or that the best solution to the issue would be to sterilize men as well.
The "leftists" in that thread who are getting their rocks off pretending that liberals are soooo high on wokeness and that they have a healthier perspective - while literally using reported genocide as a chance to score smarmy in-fighting points - are fucking pathetic.
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Yeah, see. This isn't constructive.
I didn't say I felt bullied, I said people try to be bullies.
And no. If Biden doesn't get enough votes, it's because he didn't court enough voters. It's not my fault or anyone else's but his.
I didn't look at the thread, I just laughed at the post because literally no one will argue that it's NOT misogynistic, and it's largely a worthless point. We know the system is deeply misogynistic. We have groups and movements that try to contest that fact.
I just thought it was funny, and generally dislike IdPol liberals. So it was a twofer for me.
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By the way, LOL at big bad ol' Trump BTFO by Canada.
Canada touts U.S. abandoning of aluminum tariffs, drops plans to retaliate
Canada touts U.S. abandoning of aluminum tariffs, drops plans to retaliate
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Of course. Any political party with a chance to win majorities in Congress or the presidency is a coalition of different subgroups. "The left" as you're defining it is a key part of the overall coalition (note that the "I don't care if the right wins" portion of "the left" is a small minority) of the Democratic Party. Our system is set up so that it generally takes majority support for any policy change, which can be frustrating to people who have a minority position on something (myself included, as a modified Georgist and proponent of child SS and/or an SWF with a UBD).
Even unreserved supporters of single payer have to admit that that last line is pretty sleazy. It would cost way, way, way more than the gov't currently spends and it would thus require taxes on the middle class, which is a very hard sell politically. And it would be stupid for a politician to advocate for unpopular policy that won't even come up in the real world. But if we imagine a world in which single payer legislation gets through all hurdles and passes Congress, of course Biden or any other Democratic president would sign it.
Well, sure if you don't acknowledge that his concerns are real, then I guess he's just making up fake concerns because he's secretly hates single payer for some other reason. But if you think about it like a sane person, you're going to come to a different conclusion.
No, elections aren't like a sporting contest. The candidates put themselves out there, and it's up to us to make the right decision. If you're more interested in personal validation than the lives of other people, that's your right, but it's also everyone else's right to say what they think of that decision.
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Eh, the lesser of two evils thing is hogwash. The effects of elections are felt differently depending on your demographic. Native people, for example, stand to lose a great deal if Trump gets reelected because his administration is antagonistic. Being able to vote either way and experience the same results is a very privileged position that I believe many of us do not adequately consider.
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This is a message board. We're not politicking here. So it might not be "constructive" to give one's opinion of your priorities, but it's true and entertaining.
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Except I'm far from privileged.
Like I said above, the Supreme Court issue is the single biggest issue that lingers on my mind. The fact remains that I'm still incredibly pissed off that Obama was blocked from his right to appoint a Justice, and Kavanaugh eventually getting the seat. If there is one thing that might make me plug my nose in the moment of truth in the booth, it's that.
Yeah, you're right. We got to the point of the ol' "blood is on your hands if you don't vote for Biden" part of the argument, and I'm just gonna bow out.
But, food for thought: Several various studies show that Medicare for All would save money in the long term over our current federal health care spending.
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When you say child SS, is it unconditional? Every parent gets a check for every kid they have? Is there a cap?
I think voting third party in some cases is not only fine but could be a good idea. If there's an actually good third party with actually interesting and useful ideas(which I have yet to see in practice) that siphons enough votes from the major party whose voters most overlap with the voters of the third party it could force the major party to adapt and take on some of the ideas of the third party. But here the stakes are too high and also there are no good third parties.
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