How would the 125 lb UFC & boxing champion do against a 600 lb sumo wrestler?

TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle said:
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That fatty would get his shit pushed in by multiple players on every single team in both sports. But this isnt a sumo vs rugby/football thread is it?
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A 600lbs man would not be a sumo wrestler or any other kind of athlete. He would be a sick, disabled person, so I don't even see the point.

No, Hakuho would not get beat by ball chasers, get a grip dude
 
Sumo guy would win. Size matters in this game, no matter who much you deny it!
 
TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle said:
Rugby and American football are as much combat sports as sumo is, ball or no.
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lol yeah, and soccer if you wish, they also battle for position and the game can get physical

Sumo wrestlers trains exclusively at how to move and take another 300+lbs man down, and to not get taken down.

They don't waste training time in running, catch/shoot/passing a ball, or team sport tactics. Just wrestle.

If you think a guy will beat these guys because he trains how to tackle a guy running... you really need to get a grip dude
 
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sp...fought-a-169lbs-mma-fighter-20191028.amp.html

Well a fight with almost as great a weight disparity happened and predictably the mma fighter won.

Here is another one where akebono basically leaned on don Frye for the whole time until Frye calf kicked him to the ground where he briefly ground and pounded him before submitting him with a guillotine. Once the sumo fell to the floor there was no getting up.


Imho a sumo wrestler is a poor choice to fight a mma fighter because he doesnt know how to throw punches or kicks and his grappling consists of pushing to throw the opponent out of the circle. He isnt trained on ground grappling nor throwing to the floor his opponent. There is real muscle under the fat but they still carry too much fat to be aerobically efficient enough to last for a full 3 round fight.
 
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400lbs at best, anything past that and the guy would barely move without having a heart attack, and 400lbs might be still pushing it, having said that, Figereido or any other 125lbs fighter are not 125lbs on a regular day, not that it makes a big difference, but they are more in the 150lbs range.

And with a certain set of rules, like MMA rules in a cage and 5 round fight the little guy would win most likely, speed counts, if they can effectively kick the big guy a couple of times its a matter of time before he cant walk anymore.
 
pankrat said:
lol yeah, and soccer if you wish, they also battle for position and the game can get physical
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Uhh..the crucial difference being soccer has extremely limiting rules on physical contact whereas rugby/football allow full body tackling and are actually more violent than sumo.

Heres a typical, technically correct rugby tackle...

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Heres what the linemen play in football looks like on a 1 vs 1 level...





So what exactly does sumo do that makes it more of a combat sport or more applicable to fighting than that? not to mention its a niche sport drawing its competitors almost exclusively from countries that are notorious for their lack of HW sized athletic people.
 
TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle said:
Uhh..the crucial difference being soccer has extremely limiting rules on physical contact whereas rugby/football allow full body tackling and are actually more violent than sumo.

Heres a typical, technically correct rugby tackle...

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Heres what the linemen play in football looks like on a 1 vs 1 level...





So what exactly does sumo do that makes it more of a combat sport or more applicable to fighting than that? not to mention its a niche sport drawing its competitors almost exclusively from countries that are notorious for their lack of HW sized athletic people.
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If you think the skills displayed in those videos would work on a sumo wrestler, holly shit how badly you need to get a grip

You have this idiotic idea about sumo athletes being fatties who just push each other but they are actually highly skilled wrestlers.

If you actually ever watched, you would notice. In case you had any clue about wrestling, but I highly doubt you have at this point
 
pankrat said:
If you think the skills displayed in those videos would work on a sumo wrestler, holly shit how badly you need to get a grip
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You do realize its common practice for rugby teams to train with wrestling coaches right? its essentially team wrestling with a ball in the general proximity. Again, football and rugby have constant full body tackling, a large part of the game is taking someone to the ground. Thats why they strength train and bulk up so much. What kind of strength and conditioning do they do in sumo? i'm going to guess by the nature of the sport that its going to be some archaic shit. Also a guy like this..

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...would probably get Teila Tuli'd within 30 seconds. I know the eye test isnt everything, but come on man.
 
TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle said:
You do realize its common practice for rugby teams to train with wrestling coaches right? its essentially team wrestling with a ball in the general proximity. Again, football and rugby have constant full body tackling, a large part of the game is taking someone to the ground. Thats why they strength train and bulk up so much. What kind of strength and conditioning do they do in sumo? i'm going to guess by the nature of the sport that its going to be some archaic shit. Also a guy like this..

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...would probably get Teila Tuli'd within 30 seconds. I know the eye test isnt everything, but come on man.
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Definitely your approach is heavily based on the eye test and all-around simplistic.

So rugby players dedicate part of his training to very específic wrestling moves that are useful in a team sport? Big deal

Do you realize sumo wrestlers dedicate his full training at practicing a much wider set of wrestling techniques.?

So do you think a ball player who needs to sprint and jump work on his strenght more than a sumo wrestler does? How so? Because they have beach muscles instead of a belly. That's the depth of your analysis.

Not to mention all the time they spend of working on tactic, which is high %of the training time. Training time that wrestlers are spending on combat skill and strenght

I mean you have just shared a gif in which a skinny guy takes down another rather skinny guy who is handling a ball and try to run away.... lol, as if that tackling would even remotely work on a 300+lbs elite sumo wrestler who is not handling any ball and is fully focused on defending the upcoming takedown.

So what if that tackling fails (which would fail)? What is he gonna do once he is in the clinch with a clinch expert?

Anyways as I said earlier in the thread, talking about huge, powerful individuals going at each other it would mostly come down to who can take a deliver the better punch.

But assuming both are totally unskilled strikers, your rugby/football player is not wrestling down an elite sumo wrestler and if you think so I don't even know what else to tell you. Just get a grip, no disrespect
 
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pankrat said:
So do you think a ball player who needs to sprint and jump work on his strenght more than a sumo wrestler does? How so? Because they have beach muscles instead of a belly.
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No, because i'd expect the training methods of NFL and top international level rugby teams are far more professional and advanced than an old culture/tradition based niche sport in East Asia lol. A 260lb defensive end or rugby prop is most likely stronger than a 400lb sumo on average.

pankrat said:
Anyways as I said earlier in the thread, talking about huge, powerful individuals going at each other it would mostly come down to who can take a deliver the better punch.

But assuming both are totally unskilled strikers, your rugby/football player is not wrestling down an elite sumo wrestler and if you think so I don't even know what else to tell you. Just get a grip, no disrespect
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Now gee, I wonder who could take/deliver a punch better between football/rugby players (two of the biggest concussion causing sports out there) or a fucking 400lb blubbery Japanese sumo wrestler...


And uhhh...

 
I think UFC should do some freak fights so we can find out
 
pankrat said:
Well, you don't know what you're talking about watch some highlights at least
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I was incorrect as it seems on sumo and throws - sumo does have hip throws to ty to get the opponent to fall as touching he ground with any part of the body except the soles of the feet means one loses.
 
Prime Tochinoshin would rip them apart with his bare hands
 
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