Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

I'm happy I jumped on that 5950x order on the 3rd, it went out of stock pretty quick.
 
Madmick said:
There's really only one downside to today's news for gamers, and it's mostly a theoretical one.

From January 2010 up until the i9-9900K was released in October 2018, the best gaming CPU in existence never launched for more than $359 MSRP. Even for the past few years the 9700K and 10700K matched these, at $374, and could typically be overclocked to surpass them due to more favorable peak clock binning likelihood.

These figures convey-- especially once drivers are refined-- that the 5950X is the new king of gaming CPUs outright. While $799 is a steal for this overall processing power today, moving us forward, that's still a massive increase to the cost of the top performer. On the other hand, this is the first time this gaming CPU was also king among gaming CPUs in terms of raw processing power, and therefore editing capability.

Yes, the budget options are still there, but $299 is steep for a 6c/12t CPU today. $449 for an 8c/16t CPU only trades blows with the 10c/20t Intel for $488 (ironically switching the AMD/Intel paradigm which is what today should achieve for the pricing vs. more cores conundrum going forward). By $549 AMD is notching the win in every column, but that's still way too steep for the mainstream market.

I really, really, really, really would have loved if AMD had offered a pricing table that chopped $50 off each of the lower three CPUs, but I also understand why they didn't. The lion eats first.
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Do I upgrade my 3600x to a 5800x? Or do I go to a 5950?

Help me @Madmick you're our only hope.
 
Woldog said:
Do I upgrade my 3600x to a 5800x? Or do I go to a 5950?

Help me @Madmick you're our only hope.
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The 5800X Slob opted for is the sweet spot.

I wouldn't go above the 5900X. The 5950X is pure epeen. Whatever modest advantages that might appeal to gamers from those chips come with either.

Single core per-thread performance in the most comprehensive industry standard (SPEC2017 suite; puts Cinebench to bed). You can see there is very little gained above the 5800X.
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The biggest advantage to the 5900X, apart from the +125MHz peak turbo clock on a single core I showed in my first post of Anandtech's coverage, is that it brings the double chiplet design. This appears to improve power efficiency, oddly, though total draw was about the same in separate stress testing, both peaking right around the quoted PPT of 142W for either CPU, but the key difference is the dispersion offers a much more favorable draw per core at peak multicore draws (>106W for 5900X vs. >116W for 5800X). Here, again, though, you can see that under traditional turbo boosting, once out to 8 cores, the 5900X only maintains a +25MHz clock: 4475MHz vs. 4450MHz.
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Here are those peak power draws summed across all cores. Intel's Comet Lake is a fucking joke. I'm having flashbacks to the AMD FX-9000 generation all over again like I did when Comet Lake launched, but this time the flashbacks are of AMD vs. Intel comparative charts, not AMD vs. previous-gen AMD comparative charts.
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I will add one more caveat. I need more time to review 4K benchmarks. This is the lone place where the additional cores might end up being relevant. If your heart is set on 4K gaming, I can't say right now. Need more information.
 
Madmick said:
The 5800X Slob opted for is the sweet spot.

I wouldn't go above the 5900X. The 5950X is pure epeen. Whatever modest advantages that might appeal to gamers from those chips come with either.

Single core per-thread performance in the most comprehensive industry standard (SPEC2017 suite; puts Cinebench to bed). You can see there is very little gained above the 5800X.
117493.png


The biggest advantage to the 5900X, apart from the +125MHz peak turbo clock on a single core I showed in my first post of Anandtech's coverage, is that it brings the double chiplet design. This appears to improve power efficiency, oddly, though total draw was about the same in separate stress testing, both peaking right around the quoted PPT of 142W for either CPU, but the key difference is the dispersion offers a much more favorable draw per core at peak multicore draws (>106W for 5900X vs. >116W for 5800X). Here, again, though, you can see that under traditional turbo boosting, once out to 8 cores, the 5900X only maintains a +25MHz clock: 4475MHz vs. 4450MHz.
PerCore-2-5900X_575px.png

PerCore-3-5800X_575px.png



Here are those peak power draws summed across all cores. Intel's Comet Lake is a fucking joke. I'm having flashbacks to the AMD FX-9000 generation all over again like I did when Comet Lake launched, but this time the flashbacks are of AMD vs. Intel comparative charts, not AMD vs. previous-gen AMD comparative charts.
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*Edit*
I will add one more caveat. I need more time to review 4K benchmarks. This is the lone place where the additional cores might end up being relevant. If your heart is set on 4K gaming, I can't say right now. Need more information.
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Slobodan said:
It says "Ready for delivery", might ship out today

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Looks like I might be buying a 5800x today pick it up from Umart tomorrow lol.
 
Madmick said:
Oh, goddamn, yeah, you're really stepping it up. That board is impossible to beat at >$270. I give this choice 5 Keanus.

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I'll need to update the bios in my x570 board before I put the new chip in won't I?
 
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Madmick said:
I really, really, really, really would have loved if AMD had offered a pricing table that chopped $50 off each of the lower three CPUs, but I also understand why they didn't. The lion eats first.
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Its troubling when a company does this. All the good will previously earned is lost.
 
KaNesDeath said:
Its troubling when a company does this. All the good will previously earned is lost.
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These markups on world-leading CPUs are a fraction of where Intel landed us. If anyone needs to be shit on for price inflation it's them. I'm just selfishly musing out loud. Of course I always want prices to be lower. We're left with what we always had: a more interesting choice as consumers between a lower price and a higher performance. Otherwise, I'm not too concerned about the ballooning price of the world-leading CPU and GPU components because these days they're massive overkill for the most demanding games (except at 4K for GPUs).

Gamers have never gotten more for less, and it's never been cheaper to build a AAA-viable gaming rig.
 
How long are these stock issues going to last? Geforce = Gone. Zen 3 = Gone. Navg = definitely gone I just want to build a PC without paying a scalper at this point.
 
Cygnus A said:
How long are these stock issues going to last? Geforce = Gone. Zen 3 = Gone. Navg = definitely gone I just want to build a PC without paying a scalper at this point.
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Keep in mind that CPUs are easier to manufacture and they're not as compatible as GPUs, they need to be in a specific socket and chipset etc. The situation shouldn't be as bad as the Nvidia launch (I hope)
 
5800x is installed and running. I'll be interested to see your idle temps @Slobodan right now mines idling at 65. My 3700x idled at about 35.

Turns out I didn't have a 3600x. I had a 3700x
 
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Woldog said:
3800x is installed and running. I'll be interested to see your idle temps @Slobodan right now mines idling at 65. My 3700x idled at about 35.

Turns out I didn't have a 3600x. I had a 3700x
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Very nice, my case doesn't have very good airflow (InWin 303), I got it because of the looks. I only have an exhaust fan in there. This is case is more suited for liquid cooling.

Mine idled at about 45. Another factor is my motherboard (Gigabyte Gaming X), the power delivery or whatever you call it isn't up to par compared to the better X570 motherboards. In fact I think it's one of the 2 worst ones.
 
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