If Adesanya beats Blachowicz, how would you compare this achievement with Anderson beating Griffin?
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I think Griffin is underrated because of that loss. Other than that and maybe Jardine he really doesnt have bad losses or even performances. Meanwhile Jan lost to Patrik "motherfucking" Cummings few years ago. That is way worse than anything Forrest ever pulled in his career.
I might just pick 2010 Forrest over 2021 Jan. Its pretty much about same to me.
I might just pick 2010 Forrest over 2021 Jan. Its pretty much about same to me.
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Forrest was NOT a top 2 talent!!! Just because he controversially won the belt doesn't mean he was a threat to Anderson.
Beating Jan is a MUCH bigger accomplishment.
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Still no. Jan is a better, more dameron fighter than Forrest Griffin no matter which way you twist it.
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Griffin-Silva is mostly remembered not so much for the result but because of HOW the fight went, like others have said.
In terms of accomplishments Izzy beating Jan should be a bigger deal because Jan is the LHW champ, so beating him would make Izzy a double champ which Silva never was.
In terms of accomplishments Izzy beating Jan should be a bigger deal because Jan is the LHW champ, so beating him would make Izzy a double champ which Silva never was.
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Current Jan is a lot more dangerous than Griffin ever was. Izzy would have schooled Griffin just as bad as Silva did, maybe not with the same swagger, but he would def make it look easy.
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Griffin is that over achiever with a lot of heart that gets a bit underestimated in hindsight. I think in his prime he is a game contender . Jan is the over achiever with big power in his hands who also gets underestimated. If Adensanya looks like Anderson did against Forest that would be more impressive to me because Jan can actually knock his head off while Forrest was pretty pillow fisted for a LHW.
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I just dont see it. Maybe he is better now than Forrest at his best but not by much.
One has to appreciate the fact that Jan went through that hard skit and is at best now after looking like he was about to be cut in 2017. His run has been a very pleasant surprise and its hard to not root for him.
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Honestly TS, this shouldn't even be a question. People try to really fantasize that Griffin was better than he was.
The performance by Silva himself was legendary to put it lightly.
But Griffin comes to throw air punches, Jan comes to kill. Griffin had just been badly KOed. Jan is on a 4 fight win streak with 3 being KOs.
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Griffin is one of those guys who everyone says is underrated so often that he actually starts to get overrated.
"Hardcore" fans talk about drinking the "UFC Koolaid". Well many were drinking the Koolaid with Griffin.
He's never produced to the level that Jan is now.
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My face was the same face Ice Cuba has in your AV reading that.
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I have him properly rated . I think the first Shogun Fight, Shogun legit thought he could go to a new promotion show up and dominate, even though before that he had never fought in a cage or octagon and really wasn't in Shape for that. So Griffin is that solid guy that you can't sleep on but I would never rate him as Elite.
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Dangerous? Yes...
Better? That’s highly debatable
Jan’s best wins are Jacare, rockhold, and Reyes
Forrest has wins over tito twice, rampage, shogun, rich franklin.. granted almost all of them where past their prime, but I would argue that jacare and rockhold are past their prime and Reyes is still unproven as elite.
I think it’s recent bias that people would just state Jan is better than griffin as a fact.
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I say Prime Jan which is probably now vs Prime Griffin ( The one that Beat Rampage ) is 50/50. Jan can absolutely Knock him out , but Griffin could be crafty enough to squeak a win like he did against Rampage, if you rewatch that fight, I've seen people call it either way , key moments for both fighters. Which I think would be the case of Jan vs Griffin, which is not a knock on either.
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No it was never an important p4p achievement. Griffin was never considered very good.
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There were very few fighters willing to look to the above weight class for competition. Silva's first 3 ventures into the lightweight division during his title reign will stand the test of time imo. He easily dispatched each of these fighters in the 1st round. CHAMP CHAMP talk was rare back then, but his name was always one spoken of, in either direction for super-fights. Can you really look at just a single fight in the above weight class as comparison?
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I like revisionists, they're cool cats.
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