he seems to have some skill. It's not that easy to Knock someone out with one punch like that, even if they never trained. He just get's zero respect for his choice of opponents, so far only fought people much smaller than him who were not training boxing on a regular basis.
Jake Paul vs Askren / Boxing MEGA Discussion
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It depends what the standard is.
Is he a legitimate professional boxer? No, and he won't be until he actually fights and beats legitimate pros.
That being said, he's a tough kid. He's not a punk. The average guy is not going to train pro boxing for 2-3 years and KO Ben Askren in the first round, or get the better of Mike Perry in sparring. He's athletic and he's obviously taking it seriously.
I respect him because for a guy in his position, he has a lot of other much EASIER ways to make big money than boxing, but he's apparently working hard in the gym, so good for him.
Is he a legitimate professional boxer? No, and he won't be until he actually fights and beats legitimate pros.
That being said, he's a tough kid. He's not a punk. The average guy is not going to train pro boxing for 2-3 years and KO Ben Askren in the first round, or get the better of Mike Perry in sparring. He's athletic and he's obviously taking it seriously.
I respect him because for a guy in his position, he has a lot of other much EASIER ways to make big money than boxing, but he's apparently working hard in the gym, so good for him.
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Jake did better than I thought he would and Ben’s striking is far worse than I realized.
If I was a boxing coach, I would have put Jake in some amateur matches with the goal of having him win some golden gloves tournaments.
As it stands, I don’t think he is going to do very much as a pro outside of beating up other “celebrities” and over the hill mma fighters.
If I was a boxing coach, I would have put Jake in some amateur matches with the goal of having him win some golden gloves tournaments.
As it stands, I don’t think he is going to do very much as a pro outside of beating up other “celebrities” and over the hill mma fighters.
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I’d pay to see him fight Nick.
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So I come from boxing and I didn't respect about 1/3 of the fighters in the gym. I don't know if you actually ever competed in combat sports and I never understood the sherdog reverence for fighters just because they laced up gloves. I always thought people who were shitty didn't deserve respect.
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I like it. Built in story to promote. Woodley is also a former champ and also wrestling heavy but woodley has vastly superior standup compared to Askren. Would be a good next step for Paul.
If not Woodley i will continously push Diaz bros vs Paul bros. Make that shit happen. Everything about it would be the circus fight casuals really want.
If not Woodley i will continously push Diaz bros vs Paul bros. Make that shit happen. Everything about it would be the circus fight casuals really want.
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Dude is probably gonna call out glenn danzig next.
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This is what Conor looked like in a boxing ring
Considering Paul has at least 30 pounds on Conman, and his boxing technique and power is better than I gave him credit for, I'd say his chances are pretty good tbh.
Conor's coach is Irish Edmund, Paul's coach is Shane Mosley.
PBF has made world class boxers look foolish if we're being honest here.
Connor never stood a chance boxing Floyd, and anybody with any sense knew it, but his performance against one of the best P4P boxers to ever do it tells us nothing about how a fight against Paul would go.
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Nate would piece him up
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Sorry to break it to you, kid. But it is quite the contrary.
Boxing is not a real fight.
MMA is.
A guy who throws only punches would lose easily to someone who can kick or take him down to the ground.
Ben was a champion in MMA. and his Area of expertise was graplin.
Should this fight ever happen inside an octagon, Ben would wipe the floor with Paul.
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Right, but at the same time, even taking Floyd out of the equation, we can objectively say his punching technique, power, and stamina were all fucking terrible by boxing standards. As in, not even close to world level.
But if Paul really is regularly sparring with pro boxers, and as far as boxing goes, his training is a million times better than Pillowfists McGregory's team of yes men, then that combined with Conman's big size disadvantage, big power disadvantage, crap stamina, and looking like shit in a boxing ring - it wouldn't be a big shock at all to me if Jake Paul won. Would be an interesting fight for sure.
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yall wanna clown him and that's fine, hes a clown. but the boy has a solid jab and decent footwork and that will take you decently far.
as far as him facing real boxers, id say he's still a ways off for that one but im not sure that was actually his goal when he started this. seems like it was a joke turned into a money making machine and if he keeps upping the ante, im sure he'll get the views.
this is like the poor mans version of what mayweather did; get everyone to hate you and buy your fights to see you lose but stack the deck in your favour so it won't happen and the gravy train keeps on rolling.
i personally love the craziness involved with these events. i knew history would be made but i didnt know exactly how.
I do think this gave alot more casual fans a glimpse into how hard it is to be a pro boxer. You could see in almost all the matchups that your technique has to be tight and it takes years of specialization to get it there. Homies make it look way easier on tv and you could see most dudes on this forum looking like askren out there if they ever stepped in.
as far as him facing real boxers, id say he's still a ways off for that one but im not sure that was actually his goal when he started this. seems like it was a joke turned into a money making machine and if he keeps upping the ante, im sure he'll get the views.
this is like the poor mans version of what mayweather did; get everyone to hate you and buy your fights to see you lose but stack the deck in your favour so it won't happen and the gravy train keeps on rolling.
i personally love the craziness involved with these events. i knew history would be made but i didnt know exactly how.
I do think this gave alot more casual fans a glimpse into how hard it is to be a pro boxer. You could see in almost all the matchups that your technique has to be tight and it takes years of specialization to get it there. Homies make it look way easier on tv and you could see most dudes on this forum looking like askren out there if they ever stepped in.
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So Paul's first fight was also stopped when his opponent was also standing on two feet.
The knockdown looked bad, but I think he woke up right after and was good to go 100 percent. He was little wobbly, but what do you expect, he got hit pretty hard and hit the deck hard.
If Askren survived that, I have no doubt he could have come back. I mean no one thought Askren was going to win the first round or avoid possibly getting clipped, it was the cardio and his experience that people thought would come into play.
So how bad was that stoppage in your opinion?
I know 100 percent Askren could have continued without a doubt and it would have taken a lot from Paul to put him away because Paul isn't hard to clinch, and if there's one thing Askren is a master at, it's clinching people.
The knockdown looked bad, but I think he woke up right after and was good to go 100 percent. He was little wobbly, but what do you expect, he got hit pretty hard and hit the deck hard.
If Askren survived that, I have no doubt he could have come back. I mean no one thought Askren was going to win the first round or avoid possibly getting clipped, it was the cardio and his experience that people thought would come into play.
So how bad was that stoppage in your opinion?
I know 100 percent Askren could have continued without a doubt and it would have taken a lot from Paul to put him away because Paul isn't hard to clinch, and if there's one thing Askren is a master at, it's clinching people.
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Well, I didn't respect Askren's boxing skills whatsoever before this so it's not like that could transfer to Jake. But he's athletic and he can punch. If he started in the amateurs at a younger age he probably has enough talent to be successful at it, even if just as a worker. He's unlikable as hell, too, which is generally good for revenue.
I guess as a boxer, not so much. But as a prize fighter? As long as he doesn't start getting delusional about his ability, pretty good.
I guess as a boxer, not so much. But as a prize fighter? As long as he doesn't start getting delusional about his ability, pretty good.
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boxing is a very technical sport. pros make it look easy and you could see the mma guys, who have trained their hands for years, realizing that it's just way different in there. throwing and then immediately being ready to block a counter is something that takes years to get good at and decades to make it look natural. the mma guys can throw but cant really block or guard effectively and are often off balance in these sorts of exchanges.
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after nate rob, i cant blame them.
askren looked really bad out there and then falls on his face to wake himself back up which is usually a sign to call the fight anyways.
if he was the boxer in this scenario, i could see them letting it continue but i dont think the ref was going to be too liberal with ben's well being in there. pretty sure he had strict instructions to make sure the clinching was to a minimum and to call it quick at the first sign of significant damage.
I really don't think they wanted anyone to get seriously hurt in there when its a borderline freakshow and ben was being lined up to get his head blown off.
askren looked really bad out there and then falls on his face to wake himself back up which is usually a sign to call the fight anyways.
if he was the boxer in this scenario, i could see them letting it continue but i dont think the ref was going to be too liberal with ben's well being in there. pretty sure he had strict instructions to make sure the clinching was to a minimum and to call it quick at the first sign of significant damage.
I really don't think they wanted anyone to get seriously hurt in there when its a borderline freakshow and ben was being lined up to get his head blown off.
