Social Housing is a human right?

Yes housing is a human right. Any government of a developed country that cant give basic housing to its needy doesnt deserve to be in power.
 
Yehudim said:
Well, I’m sure it’s a lot in absolute numbers because it’s a big country, but I doubt that stopping Carlos Slim from buying an apartment in the middle of Manhattan at an inflated price is somehow going to help the working class.

Canada aside, these are upscale places where foreigners are just injecting a ton of cash into our economy.
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It's not just mansions though. They buy up property and develop high end apartments that sit empty too.
 
skysolo said:
You're right, man.

In the richest country to ever exist ever, there should be people sleeping under bridges. There should be children sleeping in the woods cause they are too old to go with their mothers to the shelter.

We need to put bootstraps under bridges.
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So people who own homes or apartments should be forced to house people who aren't paying them anything? "You think people should pay you to live on the property you own? Fuck you, you're going to let whoever we tall you to live in your place. And they don't owe you shit. This is a pandemic afterall."

Got it. You're a Marxist POS. Makes perfect sense now. You belong in Venezuela, with the few remaining Chavistas still living there.

And for the record, that idiot holding the sign in the picture isn't talking about housing being generally available to all. She's talking about the "right" people have to stay in a place they aren't paying the landlords for. But landlords, homeowners, and apartment ownders are all scumbags who owe society free housing, right? The government should demand all those renting their houses out on Airbnb allow unemployed people to stay in their place for free as well, until the pandemic subsides.
 
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So people who own homes or apartments should be forced to house people who aren't paying them anything? "You think people should pay you to live on the property you own? Fuck you, you're going to let whoever we tall you to live in your place. And they don't owe you shit. This is a pandemic afterall."

Got it. You're a Marxist piece of shit. Makes perfect sense now. You belong in Venezuela, with the few remaining Chavistas still living there.
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You came in super hot today especially since you are literally arguing to keep homeless children homeless cause you hate Marx or some such nonsense. I don't even know wtf you are talking about.

This is the richest country ever. There are 6 times as many empty properties as their are homeless. Government exacerbated this problem, the government can f'ng fix it. Nah, you don't want to pay for something or something. Can you at least pitch in for some bootstraps?
 
Obviously home ownership isn't a right. There are homeless shelters for people to stay in temporarily, but of course you don't have the right to force people to buy or build you a house for free.

PinkFlammingo said:
The discrepancy between min wage and the median price of a house is far too wide.
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Why would you compare the minimum of one thing to the median of another?

Mortgage payments for the median house price are $15k/year, and median household income is like $60k. If you don't earn the median income, why would you expect to buy the same house as people who do?
 
Misanthropist said:
My ideal solution is to provide homeless people housing for 6-12 months if they agree to get into government supported training programs/short term work to give them a head start in life. By 6-12 months, they will stop being homeless and can afford to rent.
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I don't think it will work. Most people who are homeless either have an illness, an addiction, or they suck at life in general and will continue to suck regardless of the amount of resources you give them.
 
skysolo said:
You're right, man.

In the richest country to ever exist ever, there should be people sleeping under bridges. There should be children sleeping in the woods cause they are too old to go with their mothers to the shelter.

We need to put bootstraps under bridges.
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Do you have a plan on how to provide this housing?
 
KeepingItReal said:
That's wonderful. There are also thousands of intentional communities that have failed.
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Yeah, most "Intentional Communities" fail. I participated in a religious one and it was a living nightmare. I visited a second and the social element was like walking on eggshells. There is a small (secular) one in my city that has done well for over a decade but they've found their sustainable size of 5 families. Another one in my city is set up as a part of an addiction ministry (Christian non-affiliated). People usually enter in after completing normal rehab and stay live on the ranch for some months before returning to normal life. They get assistance with finding jobs and housing.
 
GoofMaster93 said:
Drug addiction and crime should automatically bar people from these types of support/safety nets. I believe housing should be a right for everybody as long as they aren't criminals/pedos/drug addicts. A lot of these bums still get plenty of food and shelter from the govermnment but if you kick em out of town and throw them into the wild, they'll quickly realize how good they have it living in society
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Dude I hate drug addicts and alcoholics too ! But then I realize that's emotional thinking and that it's probably cheaper and better for everyone if we build like a junkie jail lock them in and have a Dr administer their drugs. All you can eat drugs and booze .... and when you've had enough and want out well sober you up and release you.

I think the homeless should be separated by what is making them homeless and then treated accordingly. Institutionalize the insane. Do what I mentioned for the addicts ... and house the down on their luck til you can get them back up and running again.
 
On one side, I’m all for helping folks out who are in a pinch.

On the other side, I have a hard time wanting to help anyone who won’t help themselves. Like you said, this is the richest country ever (for now), there is opportunity everywhere.

So regarding a person who has absolutely nothing, do you suppose it’s because they’ve been presented zero opportunity? Or because they’ve put in zero effort.
skysolo said:
You came in super hot today especially since you are literally arguing to keep homeless children homeless cause you hate Marx or some such nonsense. I don't even know wtf you are talking about.

This is the richest country ever. There are 6 times as many empty properties as their are homeless. Government exacerbated this problem, the government can f'ng fix it. Nah, you don't want to pay for something or something. Can you at least pitch in for some bootstraps?
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As others have said, this is a really, really TUF one. I do believe that housing should be provided to those who cannot afford it, but this would have to be done right. You need to construct this safety net housing almost like you would a prison. The average house normal people live in is actually pretty fragile, and especially susceptible to water damage.

I definitely don’t live in some liberal utopia where free housing is going to be built where normal people live. No one deserves to have their neighborhood destroyed by the people they are paying for.

I think a related issue right now is the tolerance for vagrancy needs to stop. Most of the people living in Hoovervilles in cities aren’t doing it because there is no option for free or heavily subsidized housing available. They want to live by the parks, restaurants, beaches, good paneling corners and be free to do drugs. It’s a public nuisance and health risk and they should not be free to do that.

Pretty much all developed states need to get serious about birth control too. It’s unconscionable that people who cannot support themselves are creating more wards of the state. Offer a one time incentive in the neighborhood for $15k for citizens to get their tubes tied.
 
Pullmyfinger said:
Do you have a plan on how to provide this housing?
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If you ever find yourself being angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you are ,i.e, homeless, there's a good chance you are being manipulated by someone higher on the economic ladder than you are.
-Jimmy Dore

Quoted him just cause donks were whining about him.

In this case, the buses run on time. Your Amazon packages arrive in 2 days. The bombs reach their destinations to blow up a middle eastern country. We can figure out this problem.
 
nostradumbass said:
Obviously home ownership isn't a right. There are homeless shelters for people to stay in temporarily, but of course you don't have the right to force people to buy or build you a house for free.


Why would you compare the minimum of one thing to the median of another?

Mortgage payments for the median house price are $15k/year, and median household income is like $60k. If you don't earn the median income, why would you expect to buy the same house as people who do?
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If you are making 60k and paying 15k towards your mortgage you are probably pretty close to pay check to pay check. You have to pay taxes on the 60k, state and federal, property taxes on the home, insurance for yourself and if you drive a vehicle, utilities, internet, phone, food. Forget about it if you have a family as well.

To me the problem isn't as simple as go work and buy a home. You have all kinds of restrictions on building homes, you have companies buying up homes, foreign investors buying, you have people buying multiple homes, you have low interest rates, you have all these factors driving up the price of homes way faster than wages.
 
skysolo said:
If you ever find yourself being angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you are ,i.e, homeless, there's a good chance you are being manipulated by someone higher on the economic ladder than you are.
-Jimmy Dore

Quoted him just cause donks were whining about him.

In this case, the buses run on time. Your Amazon packages arrive in 2 days. The bombs reach their destinations to blow up a middle eastern country. We can figure out this problem.
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You quoted the wrong post.
You're not entirely wrong. But nothing there was an answer to my question, which was did you have a plan to solve the housing problem?
 
DragRacer said:
On one side, I’m all for helping folks out who are in a pinch.

On the other side, I have a hard time wanting to help anyone who won’t help themselves. Like you said, this is the richest country ever (for now), there is opportunity everywhere.

So regarding a person who has absolutely nothing, do you suppose it’s because they’ve been presented zero opportunity? Or because they’ve put in zero effort.
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80% of the country living paycheck to paycheck isn't just bad with saving. 40% can't afford $1000 emergency isn't just bad with money.

More than half the country is a couple of paychecks away from being on the street. This isn't about a lack of effort.

Edited: got my numbers backwards.
 
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Pullmyfinger said:
You quoted the wrong post.
You're not entirely wrong. But nothing there was an answer to my question, which was did you have a plan to solve the housing problem?
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I quoted the right post. You aren't asking the right question.
 
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