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How should the Federal Government handle the unvaccinated?


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It should be a choice... with consequences.

If employers, including government employers, want to mandate a vaccine for their employees, that's fine, that's their right. I'm also okay with mandating it for school children that want to attend public school.

But that's about as far as any "mandate" can go.
 
I understand, drug companies are bad. I don't discount their track record of putting profits before the well-being of the people. But this is a little different. We have massive amounts of data that point to the vaccine being extremely effective, you can't discount that.

Secondly, the vaccine mechanism isn't experimental. It's been happening since smallpox and only getting better, there is no denying that. mRNA technology has been in development for 10 years. It started with MERS. This type of vaccine has been in various stages of trial for 8 years. Hell, when COVID came along it was in stage 2 for MERS. The beauty of mRNA vaccines is that they can quickly be tuned for a different virus because they don't rely on the incubation of chicken eggs to be developed. And since MERS and SARS are similar in the S protein, the shift was fairly straightforward.

I just think it silly to promote one drug created by evil pharma off label use as a therapeutic but in the same breath denounce a vaccine, created by the same industry, specifically targeted for this virus that is showing a great level of protection.

lol.... Yes, it's still experimental. And there was no animal experiments. Previous mRNA vaccines had issues in animal testing when they were reinfected with the original virus.

People have every right to be hesitant about taking the mRNA vaccines... And it's sad to see to the left pushing the theories it's coming only coming from the "Evil" Republicans.

And the condensing attitude by Democrat leaders about people who are hesitant to the take the vaccine is embarrassing and transparent. Likely to push people even further away.

Throw in the ever changing messaging and at times, lies... There's a huge part of the general public whos faith in our leadership, both elected and appointed... is completely shattered. And this is coming from both Red and Blue voters...

Personally? Do I think I think you should get vaccinated?

Older? - Yes
Health Issues? - Likely Yes (depending)
Younger (under 35?) - Maybe
Under 18 - Fuck No... Not until Phase 3 trials are complete.

Why do I feel that about kids? Because it's completely unknown if there are long term side effects. If you're older or sick... then any long term side effects are countered by the fact the vaccine will likely help survive an infection and avoid a hospital visit. But if you're 13... Then you have decades to live with any unknown side effects... maybe it's heart or liver issues. And the previous MERS mRNA vaccine had issues with causing liver damage in mice... and also heart issues. So you're asking a parent to potentially give their kid an EXPERIMENTAL vaccine that may give their kid heart/liver issues... But if their kid gets sick with COVID naturally, the chances of ANY long term effects are practically zero... unless the kid has extreme health issues already.

That's fucking insane...
 
Angela Durante is a nurse

Denis Rancourt was a physicist

Claus Rinner is a professor of geography and environmental science

Laurent Leduc is a retired ethics professor

Donald Welsh is a biophysics and physiology professor

John Zwaagstra does agriculture research

Jan Vrbik is a mathematician

Valentina Capurri is a historian and actual critical race theorist.

None of these people are medical doctors and none of them are epidemiologists, immunologist, or virologists. Their doctorates mean nothing in this context. Worst of all, they're all Canadian.

Very silly, indeed.

Angela Durante - How dare a Research Fellow working in a University's Biomedicine and Research Department have an opinion! Who cares about her experience in the cardiovascular field??!

Denis Rancourt - A physicist with an understanding of particles and O2 / CO2 gases? Why the hell would he have anything to say on masks and exhaled particles?????!!!!!

Lurent Leduc - Why the f*ck would he have anything to say on the ethics of forcing vaccination or stigmatizing the unvaccinated. Damn Ethics Professor who touts using the Scientific Method!

Donald Welsh - A Yale grad who served as the Chair in Molecular Neuroscience and Vascular Biology at Western University. He should shut his filthy, undereducated mouth!!!

John Zwaagstra - What the hell would the author of Engineering and Therapeutic Use of Single-Chain Bivalent TGF-beta Family Traps, The nucleotide sequence of herpes simplex virus type 2 (333) glycoprotein gB2 and analysis of predicted antigenic sites, Analysis of the contribution of receptor subdomains to the cooperative binding and internalization of transforming growth factor-β (TGF-β) type I and type II receptors, and many other Peer-Reviewed and published studies know about COVID????!!!!

Jan Vrbik - Someone knowledgeable in Math and Statistics? Huh? What can someone who can break down statistics like COVID infection rates, COVID hospitalizations, vaccinations, etc offer us??? The CDC knows it al! Our Government and the WHO must be able to look at data better than this dude!

Valentina Capurri - Obviously some dumb chick who got her PHD and wrote “Canadian Public Discourse around Issues of Inadmissibility for Potential Immigrants with Diseases and/or Disabilities". Anyone can author a book! Why listen to her???!!

By all means, continue to discount the credentials of these people who most likely have attained a higher level of education and greater understanding of their fields than yourself.

I'd wager that you think we should be listening to Bill Gates.
 
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It should be a choice... with consequences.

If employers, including government employers, want to mandate a vaccine for their employees, that's fine, that's their right. I'm also okay with mandating it for school children that want to attend public school.

But that's about as far as any "mandate" can go.
There should be no such thing as a mandate. There should be a choice.
 
Angela Durante - How dare a Research Fellow working in a University's Biomedicine and Research Department have an opinion! Who cares about her experience in the cardiovascular field??!

Denis Rancourt - A physicist with an understanding of particles and O2 / CO2 gases? Why the hell would he have anything to say on masks and exhaled particles?????!!!!!

Lurent Leduc - Why the f*ck would he have anything to say on the ethics of forcing vaccination or stigmatizing the unvaccinated. Damn Ethics Professor who touts using the Scientific Method!

Donald Welsh - A Yale grad who served as the Chair in Molecular Neuroscience and Vascular Biology at Western University. He should shut his filthy, undereducated mouth!!!

John Zwaagstra - What the hell would the author of Engineering and Therapeutic Use of Single-Chain Bivalent TGF-beta Family Traps, The nucleotide sequence of herpes simplex virus type 2 (333) glycoprotein gB2 and analysis of predicted antigenic sites, Analysis of the contribution of receptor subdomains to the cooperative binding and internalization of transforming growth factor-β (TGF-β) type I and type II receptors, and many other Peer-Reviewed and published studies know about COVID????!!!!

Jan Vrbik - Someone knowledgeable in Math and Statistics? Huh? What can someone who can break down statistics like COVID infection rates, COVID hospitalizations, vaccinations, etc offer us??? The CDC knows it al! Our Government and the WHO must be able to look at data better than this dude!

Valentina Capurri - Obviously some dumb chick who got her PHD and wrote “Canadian Public Discourse around Issues of Inadmissibility for Potential Immigrants with Diseases and/or Disabilities". Anyone can author a book! Why listen to her???!!

By all means, continue to discount the credentials of these people who most likely have attained a higher level of education and greater understanding of their fields than yourself.

I'd wager that you think we should be listening Bill Gates.

You seem triggered.
 
The government should be unseated and a new and just government should be instated by means of Common Law/Public Law institutions. The people in media should be put on trial and some of them hanged.
 
Deep down the vaccinated know they made a bad decision thats the real reason they are mad at the unvaccinated. They have no idea what the long term effects of this vaccine is. I'll sit back and see the results in real time.

I want the best for everyone.
 
Not against the vaccines, plan to get one ASAP, but I don't think it should be mandated in this way. I think businesses should be able to make their own decisions for the safety of their own employees on whether they require vaccines as well (for employees or customers), that shouldn't be up to the government.
 
It should be a choice... with consequences.

If employers, including government employers, want to mandate a vaccine for their employees, that's fine, that's their right. I'm also okay with mandating it for school children that want to attend public school.

But that's about as far as any "mandate" can go.
So basically, coercion.
 
So basically, coercion.

WTF are you talking about? nothing I said was coercion. I said that businesses and government institutions should be allowed to mandate if they choose to... that's not coercion.

Coercion would be along the lines of tax breaks for those who mandate, or extra government restrictions on those that don't. I'd be against that.
 
WTF are you talking about? nothing I said was coercion. I said that businesses and government institutions should be allowed to mandate if they choose to... that's not coercion.

Coercion would be along the lines of tax breaks for those who mandate, or extra government restrictions on those that don't. I'd be against that.
Coercion is compelling a party to act in an involuntary manner by use of threats, including propaganda or force. I would say that instilling the fear of job loss is coercive. Denial of access to public institutions or venues I would describe as coercive. Removal of access to common social discourse platforms in partnership with government if one puts forth unapproved ideas or comments counter to the governments desired narrative I would describe as coercive.

Let's see, revoke or deny them employment. Censor what they can say, limit were they can go, censor or limit their ability to find information outside approved official government backed sources. Increasingly call for further sanctions, censures and punishments for not accepting government dictated, approved or recommended mandates. Corporate interests working in tandem with government to effect this.
 
I can provide data and evidence, the only thing you can provide is opinion and emotion. Who's the one spreading misinformation?

Sounds like something someone who calls others selfish pricks might say . . .
 
How long do you think your employer is going to want to keep shelling out their cash for your weekly testing?

Thats a good question. That will need to be settled once they make the dose mandatory for us workers.

-who’s dime is the test on?
-who’s time is the test on?
-how often?
-which is the preferred method of test?
-what are the actions for positives?
-what if you are still positive after quarantine due to a false positive result?



Plenty of details need to be addressed. As far as costs, idgaf how much it costs them. I work for one of the wealthiest cities in California.


Another question, if vaccinated can still get covid and transmit it, why dont those folks undergo testing as well?
 
the federal government should not handle anything , to be honest, except protecting us against invading armies, and building/maintaining infrastructure.
 
Why do you waste my time with this stuff?

Is your time valuable? But really, these experimental shots may turn out to be great in 5 years. Or people might start dropping dead from heart failure. Sure is interesting.
 
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