Social Queen B's Partisan COVID/Vaccine Megathread

[Renard]

Well that's just great

You know how in movies sometimes there's a dark parallel reality where something terrible happened like nuclear war or an alien invasion? Well reading that memo it occurred to me earlier that we're in the "pandemic" dark timeline. Somewhere in the branched off "canon" reality, Hillary became president and Covid never showed up.

 

[10mm]

A lot of vaccinated people are getting infected with the Delta variant, but they just don't get seriously ill. Since they get infected, they can still spread it.

Also, it is impossible to know who is vaccinated and who is not.

Face tatts. Its the only way. Maybe a stylish V tat between the eyes?

 

[fedoriswar37]

A lot of vaccinated people are getting infected with the Delta variant, but they just don't get seriously ill. Since they get infected, they can still spread it.

Also, it is impossible to know who is vaccinated and who is not.

That does not sound good. The virus will increase in transmission but decrease in severity if it's hosts continue to die. With a vaccine that doesn't prevent transmission your giving it a chance to mutate in hosts that don't die or even show symptoms. Sounds like a recipe for disaster

 

[SBJJ]

That does not sound good. The virus will increase in transmission but decrease in severity if it's hosts continue to die. With a vaccine that doesn't prevent transmission your giving it a chance to mutate in hosts that don't die or even show symptoms. Sounds like a recipe for disaster

And that's what some scientists not tied to big pharma are warning.

But as usual they are being silenced

 

[mjfan23]

“There are early signs that people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 may be able to transmit the Delta variant of the virus as easily as those who have not, scientists at Public Health England (PHE) said on Friday.


PHE said that of confirmed Delta cases that had ended up hospitalised since July 19, 55.1% were unvaccinated, while 34.9% had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine.

Nearly 75% of the British population has had two vaccine doses, and PHE said that "as more of the population gets vaccinated, we will see a higher relative percentage of vaccinated people in hospital".“

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/en...r-virus-levels-regardless-vaccine-2021-08-06/


Guess we need a new delta specific vaccine ASAP

 

[Renard]

“There are early signs that people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 may be able to transmit the Delta variant of the virus as easily as those who have not, scientists at Public Health England (PHE) said on Friday.


PHE said that of confirmed Delta cases that had ended up hospitalised since July 19, 55.1% were unvaccinated, while 34.9% had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine.

Nearly 75% of the British population has had two vaccine doses, and PHE said that "as more of the population gets vaccinated, we will see a higher relative percentage of vaccinated people in hospital".“

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/en...r-virus-levels-regardless-vaccine-2021-08-06/


Guess we need a new delta specific vaccine ASAP

No, we don't. The "booster" Pfizer proposed is literally the same vaccine given a third time because Delta doesn't break vaccine-induced immunity in any meaningful way. There was never any expectation vaccines would prevent infection as they don't produce musocal immunity in the nasal passage; what they do is prevent negative consequences from those infections.

 

[Ophydian]

I just had this convo with my buddy. Seems to be convinced he doesn't need the shot cause he's youngish and has no medical conditions. Not pressuring him but suggested to adleast think about it and reminded him that he's overweight, out of shape, smokes drinks and does drugs. It may be a flu to some but he's definatly in the at risk group. I don't think I'm "healthy" myself , but I get regular blood work every 6 weeks with my immuno suppressants. I usually know when somethings up.

You take your health seriously. I’m not sure the majority who think they are healthy do.

 

[mjfan23]

No, we don't. The "booster" Pfizer proposed is literally the same vaccine given a third time because Delta doesn't break vaccine-induced immunity in any meaningful way. There was never any expectation vaccines would prevent infection as they don't produce musocal immunity in the nasal passage; what they do is prevent negative consequences from those infections.

Yea which is exactly why 35~% of hospitalized or severe cases in UKs initial reporting are individuals who have had the a double dose of the current vaccine. This vaccines really doing a great job(not) at limiting deltas effects. The booster shots in the future will be variation specific IMO

 

[maximus__]

Yea which is exactly why 35~% of hospitalized or severe cases in UKs initial reporting are individuals who have had the a double dose of the current vaccine. This vaccines really doing a great job(not) at limiting deltas effects. The booster shots in the future will be variation specific IMO

That's what has me worried in all this. It doesn't work for the flu so why would it for covid? You are always chasing and the virus just mutates.

 

[Renard]

Yea which is exactly why 35~% of hospitalized or severe cases in UKs initial reporting are individuals who have had the a double dose of the current vaccine. This vaccines really doing a great job(not) at limiting deltas effects. The booster shots in the future will be variation specific IMO

Because the frail and elderly have 90%+ vaccine uptake, but despite having two doses they're still at higher risk of hospitalization than a healthy, unvaccinated 30-year old. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if 90% of the demographic in which 92% of all deaths are concentrated are vaccinated, there will still be a lot of vaccinated folks in the ICU. That speaks to how vulnerable they are, not how ineffective the vaccine is.

 

[The Audience]

That's what has me worried in all this. It doesn't work for the flu so why would it for covid? You are always chasing and the virus just mutates.

Theyre not quite the same. Flu is essentially a mixture of viruses, while covid is really just one so its not considered that such great differences will appear as fast. Interesting to read above that the boosters are 3rd doses of the same vaccine; this suggests that the vaccines are still highly effective even amidst virus evolution thus far and the issues being seen are instead due to fading peak immunity. The most significant argument against boosters i think is that they further delay availability of vaccines to countries under-vaccinated, which is where the virus will continue spreading and evolving.

 

[mjfan23]

Because the frail and elderly have 90%+ vaccine uptake, but despite having two doses they're still at higher risk of hospitalization than a healthy, unvaccinated 30-year old. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if 90% of the demographic in which 92% of all deaths are concentrated are vaccinated, there will still be a lot of vaccinated folks in the ICU. That speaks to how vulnerable they are, not how ineffective the vaccine is.

You really sound like you work at Pfizer.

Anyone who ends up in the hospital is due to their own less than optimal health not due to the ineffectiveness of the vaccine? SMH

it’s not like for a fact more and more young people are ending up in hospital ( which they are). Stop being so stubborn and admit : the race of vaccine vs variants is a little more complex than the first formulation of a vaccine is all you will ever need, in repeat doses. This vaccine has a lot of room for improvement and emerging challenges to counter. One of which is the logistics nightmare of trying to keep it at minus 70 degrees from lab to shoulder

 

[Renard]

You really sound like you work at Pfizer.

Anyone who ends up in the hospital is due to their own less than optimal health not due to the ineffectiveness of the vaccine? SMH

it’s not like for a fact more and more young people are ending up in hospital ( which they are). Stop being so stubborn and admit : the race of vaccine vs variants is a little more complex than the first formulation of a vaccine is all you will ever need, in repeat doses. This vaccine has a lot of room for improvement and emerging challenges to counter. One of which is the logistics nightmare of trying to keep it at minus 70 degrees from lab to shoulder

And by "facts" that young people end up in hospital more often under Delta you mean 30 second fearmongering clips featuring anecdotal information from the media trying to get views. What I'm telling you is the scientific consensus, it's very easy to look at the studies and verify yourself but I doubt your 90 IQ brain is capable of reading them.

 

[mjfan23]

And by "facts" that young people end up in hospital more often under Delta you mean 30 second fearmongering clips featuring anecdotal information from the media trying to get views. What I'm telling you is the scientific consensus, it's very easy to look at the studies and verify yourself but I doubt your 90 IQ brain is capable of reading them.

You and your science are as retarded as those who initially believed corona will be done by last Easter. The broscience in corona has evolved every month lol I have no idea which science you are considering. Science this dynamic is called chaos! How about you fully synthesize the evolving results and reactions before jumping to conclusions like actual science does? But you don’t seem to be the type

First it was the vaccinated will not get it, then it was vaccinated will get it but not need hospitalization, now it’s yes vaccinated will be hospitalized but maybe not die as frequently lol same with spreading; first it was vaccinated won’t spread the disease only unvaccinated are active spreaders and should be shunned upon, then it was vaccinated will spread it too, recently it’s been shown vaccinated might carry it longer and spread it even more lol.

So please stop sounding like a paid troll. What I quoted were facts:

massive large scale results in UK have proved people admitted to hospitals (not just fear creating tiktoking teens) are in ~35+% of cases fully vaccinated.

 

[Dirt Road Soldier]

My dad had a Delta 88….

Those things were the quiet supreme overlords of the Grandma Grocery Getters. Not flashy at all, not super fast, not loud, but they road smooth as shit and just didnt die.

 

[maximus__]

Theyre not quite the same. Flu is essentially a mixture of viruses, while covid is really just one so its not considered that such great differences will appear as fast. Interesting to read above that the boosters are 3rd doses of the same vaccine; this suggests that the vaccines are still highly effective even amidst virus evolution thus far and the issues being seen are instead due to fading peak immunity. The most significant argument against boosters i think is that they further delay availability of vaccines to countries under-vaccinated, which is where the virus will continue spreading and evolving.

If covid is built in a lab, I would say a massive portion of it would be flu based haha.

I more just mean in that we have never been able to fully eradicate it from society. It's continued to evolve and infect people.

This is a good chance this is here to stay now. We will have bad seasons regardless of the vax.

 

[ShadowRun]

Elite gonna elite

 

[GoldenWolf87]

Health Canada adds Bell’s Palsy warning to Pfizer labels, but says vaccine is safe
dont worry its still safe.

 

[boxingskills]

 

[PhitePhan]

Those damn yokel Drumpf rubes in Italy are burning their vaccine passports! Probably flat earth Q Anon supporters, amirite??