International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Well, did they definitively figure out where aids originated from?

Its a known fact that people have been experimenting with all types of deadly shit for several decades. The US even granted immunity and shipped over select Nazi war criminals to aid them in all types of expermintation and testing even within the US. Nazis were into all kinds of crazy shit in their labs. Documents literally got traded for freedom.

Tuskegee experiments, Agent Orange, Cold War experiments, etc.

Only a dumb, deaf & blind buffoon would dismiss lab created viruses completely.

Add into the mix the amount of money big pharma makes off meds and vax and how they pump money into the pockets of doctors and politicians....

Im not a conspiracy theorist, these are all facts. Accessible facts.

 

[FIMN]

No one's claiming that

I've seen that claim many, many times on this board.

 

[The Audience]

'A lot of evidence'...about the same as that showing the effectiveness of Ivermectin for the virus. Truth be told, this is another mystery that will probably never be solved. Its more important to think about how to prepare for the next pandemic. The factors that pressure these events continue -in some cases they are being exacerbated. Will future governments be better prepared to react to another pandemic in 30 years? Im not very confident, given the lacklustre (at times moronic) displays of governance seen throughout this one and the apparent wholesale departure of trust in public authority at all levels. And the citizens? The wide scale reluctance to adhere to emergency public health measures and vaccine uptake seen during this pandemic do not bode well for future disease outbreaks.

 

[DespicablePeep]

Why? For it to leak out of a lab it had to be collected from the wild to be brought to that lab, unless you are also alleging heavy bioengineering.

The intermediate host was not found, with mers and sars-cov it was discovered just a year after the outbreak. You can't have a virus jumping directly from bats to humans

 

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The intermediate host was not found, with mers and sars-cov it was discovered just a year after the outbreak. You can't have a virus jumping directly from bats to humans

Again, that does not make a lab leak any more likely. The lab was full of bat sampled viruses.

Unless you are also alleging it was engineered to be humanized in the lab.

 

[DespicablePeep]

'A lot of evidence'...about the same as that showing the effectiveness of Ivermectin for the virus. Truth be told, this is another mystery that will probably never be solved. Its more important to think about how to prepare for the next pandemic. .

If it was a lab leak than knowing that is crucial in preventing a pandemic. Its not impossible to figure this was not natural considering you can't trace in nature the path of the virus into humans.

This is the deadliest pandemic ever its crucial to know the origins in order to prevent future ones

 

[DespicablePeep]

Again, that does not make a lab leak any more likely. The lab was full of bat sampled viruses.

Unless you are also alleging it was engineered to be humanized in the lab.

What other bat virus jumped directly to humans? Mers camels were the intermediate species.

People have been collecting animal samples around the origin and have found nothing.

Thats the point, you are not making any sense

 

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What other bat virus jumped directly to humans? Mers camels were the intermediate species.

People have been collecting animal samples around the origin and have found nothing.

Thats the point, you are not making any sense

Again, if it can't jump from a bat to a human (not true by the way, but for your argument's sake let's say it's less likely), then how the fuck is it more likely that it would have jumped from test tubes containing bat swabs to a human?

 

[CaptHANDSUP]

You bigot CT nutter racist xenophobe, get that Alex Jones crap outta here.

Lol shut your bitch ass up. There is nothing racist about criticizing the CCP, lets make that clear. Stop associating the people of a country with its government. Especially one that is an Orwellian autocracy.

More importantly: its not a conspiracy to believe that they made every effort to spread the virus globally. I dont think they released it on purpose because thatd be an insane gamble. But once it was out they made every effort to make sure it spread to every country.

The staggering effort they went to, openly and publicly, to make sure the virus spread globally should be treated as a war crime. It was an evident case of 'we cant stand the thought of only china being impacted by this virus so the whole world has to take it."

If the virus started in any democratic western country they would be able to somewhat confine it for at least a couple of weeks or months allowing other countries vital time to prepare. Even if this last statement is factually false it still does not matter because the CCP still made an effort to spread it as they didnt know at the time if the above statement is true or false.

 

[PUO3]

" Beijing, however, continues to hinder the global investigation, resist sharing information, and blame other countries"

Who knew?

Thats not suspicious at all

 

[PUO3]

Again, if it can't jump from a bat to a human (not true by the way, but for your argument's sake let's say it's less likely), then how the fuck is it more likely that it would have jumped from test tubes containing bat swabs to a human?

It was intentionally altered lol

 

[Amerikuracana]

Again, that does not make a lab leak any more likely. The lab was full of bat sampled viruses.

Unless you are also alleging it was engineered to be humanized in the lab.

That’s what gain of function Research/manipulation does, I believe.


Your second sentence is either
A. Intentional shilling
B. Sign of a brainwashed mind
C. Intentional comedy
D. Unintentional comedy

“That doesn’t make the virus coming from the lab more likely; why they had hundreds of corona viruses they were experimenting on just laying around. It’s still likely to me it came from the street right next door.”


Dude, it came from the lab, of course. The odds of it appearing “naturally” unrelated to the lab, right next to the lab, are statistically impossible. It’s like 999,999,999,999 to 1 lol. Like hitting the lottery 5 times in a row. Stop putting in work for those that lie to us as masses.. Dems are supposed to “resist” them, remember? *snap snap* hellooo??

 

[shockaholic12]

It was intentionally altered lol

From what I’ve heard and read, when scientists alter viruses and make attempts to turn then into bio weapons then that process of altering and engineering the virus leaves indicators that humans have tampered with it and those have not been seen in Covid 19. Like they are many scientist in the world who’s job pertains to investigating outbreaks and bio weapon attacks and seeing if there are links and there’s no been general consensus that there’s any funny business when they study covid 19.

Sure, they could have allowed it to be released into the public, but altering the viruses itself to become a bio weapon against humans seems unlikely.

 

[CaptHANDSUP]

The outrage wasnt that is came from a lab in China. The outrage was the theory that China intentionally released it from a lab as a bioweapon

Dude you guys have to stop this. Its already bad enough that there was an unintentional leak and that CCP made every effort to make sure it spread globally.

They did this in many ways (e.g. killing/arresting those who were warning us in pre-March 2020) but the most vile and evil thing they did was crying racism when other countries banned flights from wuhan (and went down every diplomatic path to reopen floghts) while they themselves had banned domestic flights out of Wuhan. To me this is insanely criminal and fucking sickening. Its basically saying we dont want the virus in our country because we know how dangerous it is but we will do everything within our power to spread it around the rest of the world.

The fact that they didnt try to contain it within China is already a warcrime were all national level CCP officials are implicated. We dont need this theory about an intentional leak. The spread was intentional. Thats already enough because the implication is exactly the same. Stop watering down this conversation. By saying these things you are actually helping CCP. There is already more than enough evidence that they are basically war criminals.

Dude if i was indian i'd be fucking fuming right now. I'd hold ccp directly responsible for the death of my family members. Im very fortunate that no one in my family was affected by this virus, at least not as of yet.

 

[PUO3]

From what I’ve heard and read, when scientists alter viruses and make attempts to turn then into bio weapons then that process of altering and engineering the virus leaves indicators that humans have tampered with it and those have not been seen in Covid 19. Like they are many scientist in the world who’s job pertains to investigating outbreaks and bio weapon attacks and seeing if there are links and there’s no been general consensus that there’s any funny business when they study covid 19.

Sure, they could have allowed it to be released into the public, but altering the viruses itself to become a bio weapon against humans seems unlikely.

Must be why they admitted to GOF research and wont cooperate with a world wide investigation lmao.

 

[CaptHANDSUP]

If this pans out... It's far, far worse than just an accidental virus release

Because accidents happen, even if you're doing work you're not supposed to.

But to actively go in and attempt cover up those misdeeds, then say nothing and deny, deny, deny... and that directly results to the infections of hundreds of millions and the deaths of millions. Seriously, it's on the order of treason and/or an act of war.

If China (and our scientists) had been wide open about the issue... omg...

Just think about how unaware New York was caught. And Italy...

Wdym if this pans out? It already has. There was multiple examples from all the way back in December 2019 that ccp was suppressing information and making an effort to make sure the virus spreads internationally. There is already more than enough evidence for this. We dont need anymore.

What they did was fucking vile and the only good response is the curb stomping of every high-ranked CCP member.

 

[shockaholic12]

Must be why they admitted to GOF research and wont cooperate with a world wide investigation lmao.

Lmao? News flash, you don’t need to get access to a lab in China to study the covid-19 virus and put it under a microscope. It’s kind of easy to track it down.

 

[The Audience]

New study with implication that there may have been more than one jump into humans:



Long thread but could be a very important discovery if the hypothesis is borne out with more data

 

[The Audience]

Again, if it can't jump from a bat to a human (not true by the way, but for your argument's sake let's say it's less likely), then how the fuck is it more likely that it would have jumped from test tubes containing bat swabs to a human?

Youre honestly wasting your time at this point mate, especially on here.

 

[DespicablePeep]

Again, if it can't jump from a bat to a human (not true by the way, but for your argument's sake let's say it's less likely), then how the fuck is it more likely that it would have jumped from test tubes containing bat swabs to a human?

How many coronavirus have spilled over to humans directly? They all had a intermediate host. The virus jumped in the lab because their research is actually modifying coronavirus to infect humans, to study gain of function.

Quote from Peter Daszak who funded the research

"Daszak states that researchers found that SARS likely originated from bats and then set out to find more SARS-related coronaviruses, eventually finding over 100. He observed that some coronaviruses can "get into human cells in the lab," and others can cause SARS disease in "humanized mouse models.""


There you go buddy