Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

[LHWBelt]

Russia's entire active military is about half the number of illegal who crossed the border last year.

Did the illegals come in behind missile fire? Lol I get what your saying and I agree the US needs to focus on home but to act like that's the same thing is silly.

 

[Letssnuggle]

Encounters meaning we stopped them from crossing the border...

Dang boy! You could be a bass masters champion with this logic!

I had 388 bites. I caught 3 bass. Yes, I caught them all.

 

[nostradumbass]

People are being intentionally obtuse when comparing the “issue” Ukraine is having on it’s borders with that of the US, right? It’s not REALLY confusing as to why Ukraine may need to invest significantly more money in securing theirs than the US has in regards to theirs?

No, it's not, and that's not what's happening. The question wasn't why Ukraine would want to spend a lot to secure their borders, that much is obvious, the question is why the US are the ones paying 3.5x more to secure Ukraine's border than they are to secure their own.

 

[USA!USA!]

We can atleast agree its being invaded, no?

It is an issue. However, until they start regularly firing missiles at hospitals, apartment buildings and schools, and killing our soldiers and trying to take over our government, I think we'll be OK.

 

[Letssnuggle]

People are being intentionally obtuse when comparing the “issue” Ukraine is having on it’s borders with that of the US, right? It’s not REALLY confusing as to why Ukraine may need to invest significantly more money in securing theirs than the US has in regards to theirs?

Oh, so we only care if governments cross borders illegally.

Its fine for citizens to do it. I mean, covid isn't a thing anymore, so yea we can scratch that off the list atleast.

Hey on a positive note, we now have more hospital beds for our illegal friends right?

 

[Ayin]

No, it's not, and that's not what's happening. The question wasn't why Ukraine would want to spend a lot to secure their borders, that much is obvious, the question is why the US are the ones paying 3.5x more to secure Ukraine's border than they are to secure their own.

So you are wondering why the US is paying for anything in relation to Ukraine’s fight against Russia?

 

[Letssnuggle]

It is an issue. However, until they start regularly firing missiles at hospitals, apartment buildings and schools, and killing our soldiers and trying to take over our government, I think we'll be OK.

Oh, so its totally cool to overrun our hospital system just not blow it up. Thank you for that.

 

[Rainer]

Common ground!

To paraphrase one of my posts on the topic of bullies:

Russia had the opportunity to join NATO, but it's no surprise that it didn't happen. Not only did they want special treatment, but after the two biggest bullies on the block come to terms neither one would settle for an arrangement where they'd play second fiddle for long. I'm fully aware that the West isn't some saintly, altruistic entity.

Geopolitics is a dirty game and nobody involved comes away clean. But that doesn't mean the people of Ukraine would prefer to be subjects who can't be dealt a hand in the game. And it seems they're playing their shitty hand by not folding and hoping for the best. Seems they made their choice, right? People fighting and dying for their freedom is a story as old as humanity itself and I wish them all the best. The trick is how not to abandon them while not pulling Putins hair trigger.

Yes, broadly agreed.

Ain’t shit been done to Russia. They’re a sad relic of the last century. And now they’re mad because they chose oligarchical ruin and want to blame the US, everyone but themselves. Poor fucking Russia. But get enough people like you, then Putin will surely be more comforted - victim blaming and gaslighting by the aggressor is always a useful duel tool to use on weak minded people such as yourself.

And yes, there’s no way a corrupt egomaniac like Putin with $100 bil in concealed accounts drops a nuke. Not in a trillion years.

Dude.... The coup in 2014? Continual pushing his red lines? Talk of missile silos along the border? Bio-labs in Ukraine? Stoping water to Chrimea? NATO encroachment?

You have to be blind to say nothing has been done to Russia.

I'm not saying there things to excuse the invasion. But it's flat out delusional to paint Putin as a mad man that does such things on a whim.

Putin isn't going to be comforted or not by anything I say !?! Lol comon man

And absolutely he'd push the big red button if push came to shove. Not willingly, but he'd absolutely do it before he let Russia get steamrolled by the west.

This blinkered and blind thinking is lazy, and inexcusable these days with so much information available.

Your ignorance is a choice. And through it you and those like you enable such shit to happen.

 

[aries]

You over-estimate Navalniy importance for Russians. He was just a useful tool to get the steam out of the country troublesome liberals.
And Zelenskiy is the guy who promised his electorate to get to terms with Russia (was a big part of his electoral promises), and he’s the current figurehead, recognised by Russian government. If you look at his “staff”, they are either no-names or known oligarch supporters, like Avakov, for example. Not very popular figures.
So, Zelenskiy as a martyr killed by Russians would be good for propaganda reasons. And that won’t suit Russia’s interests.

I'm not telling you, a Russian, that Nalvany is important to the average Russian, but clearly he is more than just chump change or Putin wouldn't have him locked up. If he was that insignificant the best course of action would be to ignore him, I mean the guy is a neo-nazi ffs.

I'll reserve judgement on the reported attempts on Zelensky's life because it could easily be Ukrainian propaganda until more independent sources come through. Putin seems delusional though so it's hard to trust his judgement at the moment. It seem he really did think Ukraine would put up far less resistance and many would actually welcome Russian forces and he definitely underestimated the International reaction to this invasion.

 

[Rainer]

No Putin invaded because he doesn't want Ukraine to be successful and sign a light on his own failings as president and shambles of a country.

Lol... can you hear yourself?

If Putin was mad or whimsical like that. He wouldn't of maintained power for so long. Call him what you want but he's not stupid.

Clown world

 

[nostradumbass]

Did the illegals come in behind missile fire? Lol I get what your saying and I agree the US needs to focus on home but to act like that's the same thing is silly.

No, they do come with a shitload of drugs that have killed more people than Russia's military has.

And like I told the other guy, the question wasn't why Ukraine has the need to secure their borders, it's why the US are the ones paying for it. It's the poorest country in Europe with a ton of corruption, and for some reason the US is paying 3.5x more for their border than our own, are setting up bioweapons labs in a place without significant medical infrastructure, our politicians' kids seem to be taking huge piles of money for fake jobs there.

I'd bet dollars against donuts that if Ukraine holds off Russia, we'll send them billions on top of billions of US taxpayer money to rebuild in the form of a ton of leaky contracts to family members of our politicians that allows plenty of room for billions to go missing and get passed around to friends, family and "associates".

 

[LHWBelt]

No, they do come with a shitload of drugs that have killed more people than Russia's military has.

And like I told the other guy, the question wasn't why Ukraine has the need to secure their borders, it's why the US are the ones paying for it. It's the poorest country in Europe with a ton of corruption, and for some reason the US is paying 3.5x more for their border than our own, are setting up bioweapons labs in a place without significant medical infrastructure, our politicians' kids seem to be taking huge piles of money for fake jobs there.

I'd bet dollars against donuts that if Ukraine holds off Russia, we'll send them billions on top of billions of US taxpayer money to rebuild in the form of a ton of leaky contracts to family members of our politicians that allows plenty of room for billions to go missing and get passed around to friends, family and "associates".

We'd find ways to get drugs either way man. You might be right on the rest though.

 

[aries]

I really like how the Americans are hijacking this thread to discuss their urgent immigration problems even when Russians and Ukrainians having their 5 minutes of glory…

They'll be complaining about how sanctions are pushing up gas prices next....

 

[AWilder]

I really like how the Americans are hijacking this thread to discuss their urgent immigration problems even when Russians and Ukrainians having their 5 minutes of glory…

a conservative will literally create opportunities to complain.

 

[Letssnuggle]

I really like how the Americans are hijacking this thread to discuss their urgent immigration problems even when Russians and Ukrainians having their 5 minutes of glory…

Well, IMO we get that right as we finance most of this shit.

 

[Deleted member 555403]

After the fall of the iron curtain, no doubt the west played a major role in how Russia was reshaped. We have a shit ton of blame in that, and anyone arguing otherwise is blind or purposefully fooling themselves. But we don't have a time machine. At some point those in power in Moscow have to be held accountable for their own country's direction. It doesn't excuse the bad decisions of the past by all actors, but as we move forward the question should be: what helps the Russian and Ukrainian people? Hanging on to past glories and/or failures isn't problem solving.

that proposition should be at the center of everyone's concern, outside of Ukrainians in positions of power attempting harm reduction we all know it's not. A real recognition of the history of causes and conditions would have introduced humility into the situation. That's why it's avoided and history as this story is being told starts right around the time corrupt Yanukovych rejected EU for Putin or whatever

 

[AWilder]

They'll be complaining about how sanctions are pushing up gas prices next....

 

[Woldog]

These are mostly just older vehicles being sent in to soak up anti armour weapons. .

But Woldog said Russia is just sending anti-tank weapon bait and the real heavy hitter artillery is coming. This is just junk right?

Learn to read.
There are also Special Forces there along side these children they have fighting.
Majority are expendable old tanks and kids.

 

[grimballer]

Lol... can you hear yourself?

If Putin was mad or whimsical like that. He wouldn't of maintained power for so long. Call him what you want but he's not stupid.

Clown world

these kids have no idea what they're talking about and just repeat some nonsense they heard on western media.

this is like when george bush invaded iraq caused deaths of millions of people, but then tell american public "they hate us cause of our freedom"

 

[mkess101]

been saying this through the previous threads. Not the part about family being Russian, but that they have been using out of date equipment and young troops who didn’t even know they were going into actual combat at first. Yet people were laughing that Putin didn’t take the country within a few days. Completely clueless

also saw your post on the next page about possible economic collapse but you’re doubtful cause of how self reliant they are. I have also pointed this out many times, but people laugh at that notion as well. That is why I bring up they are a massive country with 3x the population of Italy, but the same GDP. Their economy obviously runs differently than western countries.

They run differently because a much larger % of their population lives in poverty. And yes there's something to "well then they're used to being poor". But there's a tipping point too. They're safety net is far smaller.