Crime Clinton Lawyer finally charged over Russia-gate hoax.

[White Whale]

Alex Jones had his life ruined over saying he thought, based on the information that CIA spook Pieczenik gave him, that Sandy Hook was a hoax. Meanwhile, the Clintons, dems, intelligence agencies colluded and perpetrated a giant hoax on the American citizens, tried to upend democracy, cost untold millions of tax payer dollars and no one has got in any real trouble. This is the difference when you have institutional power: rules for thee but not for me, unfairly persecute your political enemies at the same time you can break whatever rules you want. Just imagine Trump did this? He’d be drawn and quartered.

This is truth. The Bidens and Clintons have broken rules as well as laws yet nothing will happen to them. If a regular person did what the Biden and Clinton families have done the IRS, FBI would have taken everything they own an thrown them in prison for a decade or more.

 

[AWilder]

Can someone give me a quick summary of the facts presented by both sides of this beef? And is there ever gonna be a conclusion to this lol

well, one side believes epoch times and gateway pundit is a reliable and reputable source of information and the rest of us live in reality.

 

[jimjamjammer]

well, one side believes epoch times and gateway pundit is a reliable and reputable source of information and the rest of us live in reality.

Well if there is a "more reliable" source reporting this information then you should share it.

 

[Darkballs]

Can someone give me a quick summary of the facts presented by both sides of this beef? And is there ever gonna be a conclusion to this lol

Well it's incredibly stupid, and I've discussed it in length in a previous thread some months back with plenty of sources. But not being assed to do that all over again, we'll stick to the actual criminal complaint.

Part 1: Background
-Durham was appointed by Barr after various findings by the Senate, DOJ, FBI, CIA, and several other agencies concluded that Russia worked to get Trump elected. This is part of the investigate the investigators.
-After five years we've arrived at this one charge, that being, lying to law enforcement. The person accused of lying, is attorney Sussman.
-Sussman worked for a giant megafirm. Other lawyers in that 3,000+ attorney firm, represented Clinton.
-Sussman had a federal contract, a rather public one, to utilize cell phone data to track down all these shitty Alfa phones that were loaded with russian malware that were pinging off servers and were thus compromised.
-It was this work that led the FBI to uncover that a good bit of these shit russian phones were pinging off cell phone towers around Trump plaza.

Part 2: The "lie."
-Sussman bumps into the FBI director at a public conference.
-Sussman asks said FBI director if he could corroborate that these shitty phones were, in fact, being used from Trump Tower. This is before the story broke.
-FBI director writes some notes on a cocktail napkin, including the words "Says he's not working for anyone."
-FBI director laters says that he can't recall if Sussman actually said that, or if that was just his impression.

Part 3: The retardation
-So the "lie" is that Sussman claimed he wasn't working for anyone, based off the cocktail napkin.
-This is a "lie," because the work Sussman did under a federal contract was later cited by other attorneys in the same firm that went on to represent Clinton.
-Thus, Sussman worked for Clinton and "lied" about it.
-Problem is, the only evidence of the "lie," is a piece of inadmissible hearsay (the cocktail napkin), and the testimony of the FBI director who's already contradicted the charge by saying that he's can't remember what exactly Sussman said, and that he could have just concluded that the conference meeting was a genuine chat about a very public topic that Sussman had worked on.
-So the chances of this ending up in a finding of guilt, even if the charge is one of the lamest I've ever heard, is pretty much next to zero.
-Nonetheless, this hasn't stopped the right-wing derpisphere from trying to frame this as some big conspiracy to frame Trump. I suppose they are just praying that no one takes the time to look into it themselves.
-Bobgeese lost multiple bets on this very topic.


Hope that gets you up to speed.

 

[So Fresh]

Well it's incredibly stupid, and I've discussed it in length in a previous thread some months back with plenty of sources. But not being assed to do that all over again, we'll stick to the actual criminal complaint.

Part 1: Background
-Durham was appointed by Barr after various findings by the Senate, DOJ, FBI, CIA, and several other agencies concluded that Russia worked to get Trump elected. This is part of the investigate the investigators.
-After five years we've arrived at this one charge, that being, lying to law enforcement. The person accused of lying, is attorney Sussman.
-Sussman worked for a giant megafirm. Other lawyers in that 3,000+ attorney firm, represented Clinton.
-Sussman had a federal contract, a rather public one, to utilize cell phone data to track down all these shitty Alfa phones that were loaded with russian malware that were pinging off servers and were thus compromised.
-It was this work that led the FBI to uncover that a good bit of these shit russian phones were pinging off cell phone towers around Trump plaza.

Part 2: The "lie."
-Sussman bumps into the FBI director at a public conference.
-Sussman asks said FBI director if he could corroborate that these shitty phones were, in fact, being used from Trump Tower. This is before the story broke.
-FBI director writes some notes on a cocktail napkin, including the words "Says he's not working for anyone."
-FBI director laters says that he can't recall if Sussman actually said that, or if that was just his impression.

Part 3: The retardation
-So the "lie" is that Sussman claimed he wasn't working for anyone, based off the cocktail napkin.
-This is a "lie," because the work Sussman did under a federal contract was later cited by other attorneys in the same firm that went on to represent Clinton.
-Thus, Sussman worked for Clinton and "lied" about it.
-Problem is, the only evidence of the "lie," is a piece of inadmissible hearsay (the cocktail napkin), and the testimony of the FBI director who's already contradicted the charge by saying that he's can't remember what exactly Sussman said, and that he could have just concluded that the conference meeting was a genuine chat about a very public topic that Sussman had worked on.
-So the chances of this ending up in a finding of guilt, even if the charge is one of the lamest I've ever heard, is pretty much next to zero.
-Nonetheless, this hasn't stopped the right-wing derpisphere from trying to frame this as some big conspiracy to frame Trump. I suppose they are just praying that no one takes the time to look into it themselves.
-Bobgeese lost multiple bets on this very topic.


Hope that gets you up to speed.

Haha wow thanks dude, this definitely does. For an outsider (europe) this whole case of trump and the russians and the Clintons, it’s so hard to follow lol. Also because it’s been dragging for years now and nothing ever really happens.

Anyway thanks for the cliffs. Bobgeese is banned now btw

 

[Mark McMichael]

This is it.

It is one thing to concede that masks 'work' in a technical, or controlled setting. But they reality is that most model that showed masks to have worked are likely ones where they made the assumption that everyone in society was wearing N95, switching them out frequently, and wearing them properly.

That simply was not the case. Most people used either cloth or surgical masks (not N95).

Masks work and that is not debatable at this point.

What people like to do on this topic is cite an area they do not work in and then say 'see masks do not work'.

Seat belts do not work in car fires... see seat belts do not work. Anyone can see the lack of logic in that.

All masks regardless of type serve one real function and that is to increase the amount of time you have before getting infected if you are in proximity to an infectious person. Full stop. It is the same way simply distancing works. The further away you stand, the more time you have before a person's breath reaches you and more time for whatever air currents or air filtration to take the infectious breath away or dilute it.

If you believe distancing works (12ft > 6ft > 1ft), then you have to be daft to not understand that masks work on the same premise. So if you are in and out of a grocery store, or a coffee shop, for a very brief period of time someone wearing a surgical mask will have their breath projection shortened. That means you have a little more time before it reaches you (just like standing further away), and it means whatever air circulation they have has a bit more time to dilute it.

Derps point and say, but it is not perfect and fails if you sit beside the person for an hour, which is true, but does not change the FACT they helped get you more time for a short encounter.

 

[AGEZ909]

Masks work and that is not debatable at this point.

What people like to do on this topic is cite an area they do not work in and then say 'see masks do not work'.

Seat belts do not work in car fires... see seat belts do not work. Anyone can see the lack of logic in that.

All masks regardless of type serve one real function and that is to increase the amount of time you have before getting infected if you are in proximity to an infectious person. Full stop. It is the same way simply distancing works. The further away you stand, the more time you have before a person's breath reaches you and more time for whatever air currents or air filtration to take the infectious breath away or dilute it.

If you believe distancing works (12ft > 6ft > 1ft), then you have to be daft to not understand that masks work on the same premise. So if you are in and out of a grocery store, or a coffee shop, for a very brief period of time someone wearing a surgical mask will have their breath projection shortened. That means you have a little more time before it reaches you (just like standing further away), and it means whatever air circulation they have has a bit more time to dilute it.

Derps point and say, but it is not perfect and fails if you sit beside the person for an hour, which is true, but does not change the FACT they helped get you more time for a short encounter.

your argument is technically true, effectively false. Masks 'work' when worn and changed properly by all. Question: Did the millions of people in the US and the billions worldwide wear and change their masks properly? Or did you see every other idiot touching the inside of their mask repeatedly as the took them off and put them on when entering stores? Did every other idiot not wear their masks under their nose any chance they got when out and about with other people?

If masks work, Why haven't they worked?

We haven't even got into the question of moral hazard. where people wearing masks engage in more risky behavior (with respect to the Covid) because they thought the marginal protection their cloth or surgical masks provided them made them safe.

Saying masks work the way you say they work is like saying crash diets work. Sure, completely cutting out sugar and empty carbs is proven to help in weight loss. Why then, do the overwhelming amount of people who go on crash diets remain fat or gain the weight back after a few months of ending those diets?

 

[deadon]

your argument is technically true, effectively false. Masks 'work' when worn and changed properly by all. Question: Did the millions of people in the US and the billions worldwide wear and change their masks properly? Or did you see every other idiot touching the inside of their mask repeatedly as the took them off and put them on when entering stores? Did every other idiot not wear their masks under their nose any chance they got when out and about with other people?

If masks work, Why haven't they worked?

We haven't even got into the question of moral hazard. where people wearing masks engage in more risky behavior (with respect to the Covid) because they thought the marginal protection their cloth or surgical masks provided them made them safe.

Saying masks work the way you say they work is like saying crash diets work. Sure, completely cutting out sugar and empty carbs is proven to help in weight loss. Why then, do the overwhelming amount of people who go on crash diets remain fat or gain the weight back after a few months of ending that diet?

These people are a trip. As a painter we tested out a n95 shooting primer. After 5min I was spitting up black primer. Think about how big a droplet from paint is. Now think about how big a virus is lol. If paint can get through then a virus can get through.

Also, a grocery store or subway ect. has a ton of people in them. The virus is in the air. Why the hell are we talking about masks anyway? "We have a working vaccine " lol

 

[Mark McMichael]

your argument is technically true, effectively false. Masks 'work' when worn and changed properly by all. Question: Did the millions of people in the US and the billions worldwide wear and change their masks properly? Or did you see every other idiot touching the inside of their mask repeatedly as the took them off and put them on when entering stores? Did every other idiot not wear their masks under their nose any chance they got when out and about with other people?

If masks work, Why haven't they worked?

We haven't even got into the question of moral hazard. where people wearing masks engage in more risky behavior (with respect to the Covid) because they thought the marginal protection their cloth or surgical masks provided them made them safe.

Saying masks work the way you say they work is like saying crash diets work. Sure, completely cutting out sugar and empty carbs is proven to help in weight loss. Why then, do the overwhelming amount of people who go on crash diets remain fat or gain the weight back after a few months of ending that diet?

Again really dumb talking point and you are doing exactly what I said. Trying to isolate incidents of failure to try and make a point.

Seatbelts work even if many people do not wear them properly. Even if many people die in car accidents even when they wear them properly. Seatbelts DO WORK regardless. Pointing to when they fail, does not change that.

If you have covid and infectious and have on any mask it absolutely will slow down the velocity of your breath and the distance it travels. That is science fact. Any obstructing object will do that.

If your breath is slowed and the distance it travels reduces and I am only in your presence for a very short period of time I then have more protection than if you do not.

Anyone who has ever been around an inconsiderate smoker outdoors who just blows the smoke their way, instead of away from them realizes it makes a difference in the short time after they breath out. If they blow the smoke in the other direction and there is decent wind it can make a huge difference.

Same for mask use.

If this guy is in line breathing and he is 6ft or 9ft behind me at the coffee checkout and infected and wearing this mask you can see how the breath is forced around his face. It will not take LONGER to reach where I am, and I may be gone by the time it does.

 

[AGEZ909]

These people are a trip. As a painter we tested out a n95 shooting primer. After 5min I was spitting up black primer. Think about how big a droplet from paint is. Now think about how big a virus is lol. If paint can get through than a virus can get through.

Also, a grocery store or subway ect. has a ton of people in them. The virus is in the air. Why the hell are we talking about masks anyway? "We have a working vaccine " lol

The "vaccine" worked so well that you needed two doses.... and a couple of boosters months after the initial shot.


Oh and if you are injured in anyway following the shots, you have no recourse.... but they are safe and effective..... trust us bro.

- The Science

 

[Mark McMichael]

These people are a trip. As a painter we tested out a n95 shooting primer. After 5min I was spitting up black primer. Think about how big a droplet from paint is. Now think about how big a virus is lol. If paint can get through then a virus can get through.

Also, a grocery store or subway ect. has a ton of people in them. The virus is in the air. Why the hell are we talking about masks anyway? "We have a working vaccine " lol

So what about distance then?

Do you think if you are outside and you stand 1ft away or 10ft away from a infected person it makes any difference? If so explain exactly why? What is happening that it makes a difference?

 

[AGEZ909]

Again really dumb talking point and you are doing exactly what I said. Trying to isolate incidents of failure to try and make a point.

Seatbelts work even if many people do not wear them properly. Even if many people die in car accidents even when they wear them properly. Seatbelts DO WORK regardless. Pointing to when they fail, does not change that.

If you have covid and infectious and have on any mask it absolutely will slow down the velocity of your breath and the distance it travels. That is science fact. Any obstructing object will do that.

If your breath is slowed and the distance it travels reduces and I am only in your presence for a very short period of time I then have more protection than if you do not.

Anyone who has ever been around an inconsiderate smoker outdoors who just blows the smoke their way, instead of away from them realizes it makes a difference in the short time after they breath out. If they blow the smoke in the other direction and there is decent wind it can make a huge difference.

Same for mask use.

If this guy is in line breathing and he is 6ft or 9ft behind me at the coffee checkout and infected and wearing this mask you can see how the breath is forced around his face. It will not take LONGER to reach where I am, and I may be gone by the time it does.

Technically true, effectively false.

Again, if they work why haven't they worked?

Why aren't Florida and Sweden like something out of World War Z?

 

[terrapin]

Haha wow thanks dude, this definitely does. For an outsider (europe) this whole case of trump and the russians and the Clintons, it’s so hard to follow lol. Also because it’s been dragging for years now and nothing ever really happens.

Anyway thanks for the cliffs. Bobgeese is banned now btw

what did bob do?

 

[deadon]

So what about distance then?

Do you think if you are outside and you stand 1ft away or 10ft away from a infected person it makes any difference? If so explain exactly why? What is happening that it makes a difference?

Tell me how this matters where there's a large population or in stores ect.

You going to push people 10 feet away from you? You're not being rational.

Plus omicron spreads so fast and wide a mask is useless kind of like your vaccine.

 

[boxingskills]

This is truth. The Bidens and Clintons have broken rules as well as laws yet nothing will happen to them. If a regular person did what the Biden and Clinton families have done the IRS, FBI would have taken everything they own an thrown them in prison for a decade or more.

The Bidens and the Clintons are the law.

 

[So Fresh]

what did bob do?

I have no idea. I woke up checked my thread and he was banned. Don’t know if it was there or somewhere else.

 

[Mark McMichael]

Tell me how this matters where there's a large population or in stores ect.

You going to push people 10 feet away from you? You're not being rational.

Plus omicron spreads so fast and wide a mask is useless kind of like your vaccine.

How about instead I tell you how it works in a rational way when there is a small population in a store, coffee shop, etc?

AGAIN, what you Derps do, is look for a place the seat belt does not work (car fire) to say it never works.

I am not claiming masks work in every situation but they DO WORK by buying you more time, in many situations.

If you say masks do not work then you are saying distancing does not either. That whether you stand 1 ft or 10 ft from someone sick for quick conversation won't matter. And that is Derp level dumb. Of course it does as breath is about velocity and concentration.

How far does the person's project towards your nose when they exhale and how long will it take to cover the remaining distance. And if you remain in one place, what is the concentration of breath over time.

Just as with distance, a mask helps with slowing the project of the breath reaching your face, and allows more time for natural wind or air exchange to sweep some of the breath away.

If you think distance does not help, you are beyond redemption. If you think it does and cannot see how masks create the same dynamic you are beyond redemption. You are true Derp.

 

[jimjamjammer]

How did this turn into a Covid thread?

 

[deadon]

How about instead I tell you how it works in a rational way when there is a small population in a store, coffee shop, etc?

AGAIN, what you Derps do, is look for a place the seat belt does not work (car fire) to say it never works.

I am not claiming masks work in every situation but they DO WORK by buying you more time, in many situations.

If you say masks do not work then you are saying distancing does not either. That whether you stand 1 ft or 10 ft from someone sick for quick conversation won't matter. And that is Derp level dumb. Of course it does as breath is about velocity and concentration.

How far does the person's project towards your nose when they exhale and how long will it take to cover the remaining distance. And if you remain in one place, what is the concentration of breath over time.

Just as with distance, a mask helps with slowing the project of the breath reaching your face, and allows more time for natural wind or air exchange to sweep some of the breath away.

If you think distance does not help, you are beyond redemption. If you think it does and cannot see how masks create the same dynamic you are beyond redemption. You are true Derp.

You're way to far gone. To YOU I'm a "derp" and considering the source I'm good with that. No point in arguing with you about any of this.
Please, stay safe and wear three masks.

 

[deadon]

How did this turn into a Covid thread?

This Mark guy popped in and boom another one!