Did Pereira expose Adesanya and destroy his legacy?

NEETzschean said:
1. Pereira ended Izzy's 3 year, 5 consecutive defence MW title reign, having pushed him out of kickboxing 5.5 years prior.

2. Izzy can't be in the conversation for best MMA striker anymore as he's 0-3 (2 by KO) against a kickboxer.

3. Izzy isn't a P4P fighter as he evidently can't win without a large height and reach advantage (Jan, Alex).

4. Izzy's general wrestling/submission game is poor. An elite wrestler (of which there are currently none at MW) would likely beat him; no wrestler worth their salt should be taken down by Alex, or only secure one TD against him as a result of Alex's botched TD.
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yeah, now everyone will know the recipe, lose 3 of the 1st four rounds which lulls him into a sense of false confidence, then BAM, go knock him out!
 
NEETzschean said:
"that allows him to win after getting his ass kicked all over the ring by adesanya for 99% of the fight."

It doesn't sound like you even watched the fight. The fanboy goggles must be tight for you to claim that, let alone believe it.

Poatan surely doesn't care about defending Izzy's old belt as he's already taken his soul, he'll forever be his boogieman and above him as a striker.

You didn't answer the question, should Izzy take the rematch?
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he absolutely should get an immediate rematch and take his belt back. the rest of what you wrote is drivel (no surprise there.)
 
He should probably retire, he’s never going to be champ again and had been exposed as never being that good anyway.
 
kuroro said:
mmath strikes again. so by your logic he'll accomplish in mma what adesanya has and more lmfao.
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In some respects he already has: he has a better win on his MMA record in 8 fights than Izzy has in 25 and to my knowledge became champion with the fewest ever number of MW MMA fights.
 
kuroro said:
Anyone who can keep their hands up, level change, and wrestle to top position will take that belt right off of him.
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You realize people just like you were saying the exact same thing about Izzy, right? It's possible but will be interesting to see how well Alex will develop take down defense under Glover.
 
NEETzschean said:
In some respects he already has: he has a better win on his MMA record in 8 fights than Izzy has in 25 and to my knowledge became champion with the fewest ever number of MMA fights.
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That would be Brock Lesnar. Sorry.
 
kuroro said:
he absolutely should get an immediate rematch and take his belt back. the rest of what you wrote is drivel (no surprise there.)
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I fully agree that Poatan should give him an immediate rematch. He's already beaten the guy three times and knocked his ass out twice, a forth time is no big deal.
 
kuroro said:
you're one of those geniuses who watches fights blindfolded and forms opinions by looking at w/l records on wikipedia. is it luck? no, it's just his insane fortitude and devastating power that allows him to win after getting his ass kicked all over the ring by adesanya for 99% of the fight. he has enormous holes in his mma game and pereira will never defend that belt like adesanya has, even if he was ten years younger than he is now.
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You're one of the geniuses that doesn't realize that Poatan's leg kicks paid dividends. Even Izzy admitted he lost his footing because his leg was numb from the kicks when being questioned during the post fight presser. As for "99% of the fight" he literally dropped a round, and beyond that, landed less significant and total strikes, and held a lower landing percentage in total for the fight.

Source http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/04f32bb0c0d3a8cc
 
NEETzschean said:
Adesanya won the title in his 18th MMA fight (7th UFC) and was a dominant long reigning UFC champion and P4P fighter in his 25th MMA fight when he was dethroned by a fighter in his 8th MMA fight (4th UFC) 5 round and championship debut. The two are not remotely comparable and everyone on fighter's row understood that.
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You know why it's not comparable? It's right there, you just typed it all yourself honey. Adesanya had a long journey where he actually had to grow like a real MMA fighter to get a legit path to the title.

Poatan, as much as I love him, was favorably matched up from day 1 so he could be fast tracked to a lucrative title fight because he was lucky enough to have a big dramatic history with the champ.

You would have a point if Poatan came to this level on merit. But no. He never even beat a high level opponent with a grappling background.

This can be done many more times with that kind of matchmaking. But it hardly happens because all of those many decorated world class kickboxers never amounted to much in MMA because they weren't favorably fast tracked like that.

Only a fool can't see the big picture here and still thinks this case "makes MMA look bad". Same with the Jake Paul BS. Think, kids. The big picture. The context.
 
egk said:
You realize people just like you were saying the exact same thing about Izzy, right? It's possible but will be interesting to see how well Alex will develop take down defense under Glover.
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but what was falsely said of adesanya is true of pereira. pereira is probably too old to develop a passable grappling game at this point. he made adesanya look like khabib, so that should tell you something.
 
Adasanya is one of the best mw of all time.
He’s an established great fighter who’s beat everyone.
he’s a great striker excellent takedown defense. Proven he’s above all mw.

Alex just beat him 3 x. He’s had what 90 fights and Alex is the only guy to stop him and did it twice.

as good as adasanya is Alex is better at what makes israel great.

I was rooting for pereira. It’s just silly to say when someone loses they’re exposed.

It’s not like there is mystery behind adasanya. He’s as established as an mma fighter is going to get.
 
These hot takes on Izzy is ridiculous. Hes a great fighter and may have just run into someone that has his number. Either way it seems like they are pretty evenly matched..Izzy was winning going into the 5th.

Alex has fight changing power and he eventually got to Izzy. Great fight but lets not go overboard and say Izzy was exposed.
 
TheBulge said:
You know why it's not comparable? It's right there, you just typed it all yourself honey. Adesanya had a long journey where he actually had to grow like a real MMA fighter to get a legit path to the title.

Poatan, as much as I love him, was favorably matched up from day 1 so he could be fast tracked to a lucrative title fight because he was lucky enough to have a big dramatic history with the champ.

You would have a point if Poatan came to this level on merit. But no. He never even beat a high level opponent with a grappling background.

This can be done many more times with that kind of matchmaking. But it hardly happens because all of those many decorated world class kickboxers never amounted to much in MMA because they weren't favorably fast tracked like that.

Only a fool can't see the big picture here and still thinks this case "makes MMA look bad". Same with the Jake Paul BS. Think, kids. The big picture. The context.
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yes, thank you. these guys act like lawyers against fighters they hate and base their arguments on random statistics that they arbitrarily impute some kind of significance to, while missing all the chicanery that's going on right in front of their dumb face.
 
TheBulge said:
You know why it's not comparable? It's right there, you just typed it all yourself honey. Adesanya had a long journey where he actually had to grow like a real MMA fighter to get a legit path to the title.

Poatan, as much as I love him, was favorably matched up from day 1 so he could be fast tracked to a lucrative title fight because he was lucky enough to have a big dramatic history with the champ.

You would have a point if Poatan came to this level on merit. But no. He never even beat a high level opponent with a grappling background.

This can be done many more times with that kind of matchmaking. But it hardly happens because all of those many decorated world class kickboxers never amounted to much in MMA because they weren't favorably fast tracked like that.

Only a fool can't see the big picture here and still thinks this case "makes MMA look bad". Same with the Jake Paul BS. Think, kids. The big picture. The context.
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Jake Paul is beating washed up MMA fighters, it's not like he waltzed into boxing proper and KO'd Bivol.

To everyone on fighter's row, Adesanya was representing the UFC, Poatan kickboxing. Whether it's right or wrong, that's how it was seen.
 
I've made these kinds of posts and threads jokingly (OMG, fighter A is EXPOSED!!!); but doing this seriously is truly laughable. Alex is NOT 3-0 against him in MMA, he pulled out a close fight at the very end that could have gone either way in their MMA fight.

lol all these posts about him "only winning with a big size advantage." As if this is UFC 3 where there aren't weight classes.
 
Heh. Doesn't make much from people of this board to consider one's legacy to be destroyed.
 
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