Did Pereira expose Adesanya and destroy his legacy?

[BigDaddyChristopher]

You idiots. Discrediting Adesanya just discredits Pereira.

Adesanya is a better striker, was up 3 to1, and Pereira was saved by the bell in the first round. If Adesanya is so awful, that makes Alex mediocre at best.

I think it was also pointed out Pereira was planning on going 5 rounds the commentators said so.. And Izzy didn't out Strike him by much.. It was tied the first round.. Like 3 strikes the second. 5 the next.. But the last round it was 9 strikes izzy 28 Pereira..

 

[BigDaddyChristopher]

You can’t be tired and bob and weave like that because it takes more effort and core strength than simply running

Do you really believe that my friend? you think its hard to shake your head from side to side leaning on a wall... That is hard to you.. I mean you noticed the ref stopped it right.. it was the right call.. Izzy could no longer run.. or even proper defend himself.. He was done.

 

[chiefwiggum]

Robert Whitaker..

Great fighter ever i would say Mike Tyson.. He was most the time the smallest guy in the Ring..

Again proving my point Conor won when he was the Bigger guy.. Once he moved up to his should be weight class i don't think he ever won did he?

there are no should be weight classes. Neither of those guys missed weight.

He didn’t win much but he made hundreds of millions and started training in paradise with his family. A recipe for disaster. And his losses were to the best guys. And partying way too hard.

great fighters lose in combat sports. I’m not saying he’s the best I’m saying he or they are one of the best fighters in their weight class of all time. 145. 185. And that’s how it goes for the majority of mma goats.

 

[par6597]

Losing to a better fighter shouldn’t ruin your legacy. Did Silva smashing Franklin twice ruin his legacy??

terrible example because yes it did, nobody is talking about rich franklin anymore
people are still talking about anderson

 

[BigDaddyChristopher]

there are no should be weight classes. Neither of those guys missed weight.

He didn’t win much but he made hundreds of millions and started training in paradise with his family. A recipe for disaster. And his losses were to the best guys. And partying way too hard.

great fighters lose in combat sports. I’m not saying he’s the best I’m saying he or they are one of the best fighters in their weight class of all time. 145. 185. And that’s how it goes for the majority of mma goats.

Izzy wasn't or never will be a goat. His resume is not even close to being goat.. He made sure he wasn't going to be goat running from Jon Jones.. Now if he took that fight beat Jon we could argue goat status.. Since he ran from that.. Has wins over much smaller opponents and when he tried to fight ppl his size he lost..

well i guess that is where opinions is.. He may be your Goat. His resume to me is far from a goat.

 

[Domitian]

I think it was also pointed out Pereira was planning on going 5 rounds the commentators said so.. And Izzy didn't out Strike him by much.. It was tied the first round.. Like 3 strikes the second. 5 the next.. But the last round it was 9 strikes izzy 28 Pereira..

He needed a finish in the last round.

 

[BigDaddyChristopher]

He needed a finish in the last round.

Did he get it? I don't remember?

 

[Domitian]

Did he get it? I don't remember?

Ok but if you think he went into that 5th round wanting to be down 3-1 on the cards by all means feel that way.

 

[DestinedAussie]

1. Pereira ended Izzy's 3 year, 5 consecutive defence MW title reign, having pushed him out of kickboxing 5.5 years prior.

2. Izzy can't be in the conversation for best MMA striker anymore as he's 0-3 (2 by KO) against a kickboxer.

3. Izzy isn't a P4P fighter as he evidently can't win without a large height and reach advantage (Jan, Alex).

4. Izzy's general wrestling/submission game is poor. An elite wrestler (of which there are currently none at MW) would likely beat him; no wrestler worth their salt should be taken down by Alex, or only secure one TD against him as a result of Alex's botched TD.

Wow, what an over reaction. Izzy was literally up on 3-1 on the cards and almost stopped him in the first. This was a great fight and well he lost, as all long term champs do. 5 consecutive defences is amazing, Khabib couldn't even close to that. Izzy has achieved what most UFC champs can only dream of and is clearly one of the greats. Even if he achieves no more, currently on Silva has (arguably) a better career at MW.

Honestly I doubt Alex lasts as long as I think there are more holes in his game than Izzy's. Izzy has held up against people with great wrestling games and been able to keep it on the feet, I don't know if Alex will do the same.

I think the UFC runs it back and Izzy wins. There is plenty of room for improvement for him which is actually good.

 

[Swarthy]

Yes, definitely. If he can't run from a heavy-hitting, accurate striker he gets KTFO'd

Yup Runasanya ran outta room.

 

[BigDaddyChristopher]

Ok but if you think he went into that 5th round wanting to be down 3-1 on the cards by all means feel that way.

Well considering they said that was his plan.. This guy has beat Izzy i hear ppl say several times.. I say he has his number and he knows what it takes.. Not gassing himself out letting izzy run around doing pop shots.. And then walking him down in the final round.. I'd say that is executed to a fucking T. I'd say that is how you stick to your plan. I'm going to the last round.. Let this guy gas himself and then i'ma knock him out..

I mean honestly that was fucking smart.. and why he is champ now.

 

[stacrafty]

1. Pereira ended Izzy's 3 year, 5 consecutive defence MW title reign, having pushed him out of kickboxing 5.5 years prior.

2. Izzy can't be in the conversation for best MMA striker anymore as he's 0-3 (2 by KO) against a kickboxer.

3. Izzy isn't a P4P fighter as he evidently can't win without a large height and reach advantage (Jan, Alex).

4. Izzy's general wrestling/submission game is poor. An elite wrestler (of which there are currently none at MW) would likely beat him; no wrestler worth their salt should be taken down by Alex, or only secure one TD against him as a result of Alex's botched TD.

What sort of a dribbling moron are you?

I know it's post UFC event so all the dumb threads come out but this over the top even.

1st - point, yes but weird take. You push someone to mma where they become the ufc champ.

2 - lamo we just watched izzy outclass and prove again for the 3rd time he's the more skilled more technical kickboxer. Alex is just bigger has a good chin and hits harder... which leads to point 3

3 - do you even know what pound for pound means you absolute moron? Clue.. its to do with weight. Alex was in there at 225+ he was legit bigger amd heavier.

Izzy is undersize and weighs LESS than most of his opponent. Yes he is long rangy amd skinny but that has nothing to do with pound for pound.

Why do retards like you even make posts when you have such a limited understanding of mma?

 

[stacrafty]

Pffft Adesanya exposed Pereira. His striking and cardio is nowhere near Adesanya's level, and his grappling defense is nonexistant. Adesanya even showed the limits of his chin, nearly finishing the fight in the first round. All Pereira has is his insane power. Anyone who can keep their hands up, level change, and wrestle to top position will take that belt right off of him.

Yep. Only thing he has over izzy is he's a huge ogre type dude with a decent chin and good power. Izzy showed despite his double glory champ status he's not on izzys technical level

 

[Stop Being Greedy]

He ruined it in the sense that it's now clear Pereira could have come over to MMA and beaten him at his own game whenever he wanted to, making him look like a paper champ in retrospect. It doesn't diminish Adesanya's achievements against other fighters, just cements the fact that there never actually was a point where he was the guy. He was only the champ because Pereira wasn't pursuing it. That's a lot more damaging to his legacy than many people seem to want to acknowledge.

 

[BigDaddyChristopher]

Hey I got to say you Sherdog ppl are handling this better than some other forums i've read.

Evidently Izzy said something about he's going through stuff like chadwick boseman and so they are saying... ONLY reason Izzy lost is because he has Cancer. So there is that.

 

[kuroro]

A 10-8 for wobbling a guy after the bell at the end of a competitive round? I have heard some outlandish crazy things in these forums, and this is definitely towards the top of the list. Your boy got finished. The end.

he was already ko'd on his feet before the bell rung. he was literally saved by the bell. there is no debating this.

 

[Anewt]

Well considering they said that was his plan.. This guy has beat Izzy i hear ppl say several times.. I say he has his number and he knows what it takes.. Not gassing himself out letting izzy run around doing pop shots.. And then walking him down in the final round.. I'd say that is executed to a fucking T. I'd say that is how you stick to your plan. I'm going to the last round.. Let this guy gas himself and then i'ma knock him out..

I mean honestly that was fucking smart.. and why he is champ now.

God sherdogs absurd. Poatan won. It was a relatively decent fight. This narrative he wasn't trying to win till the 5th is beyond fan boying lol

 

[NEETzschean]

Most baseless accusations I've seen here so far. Numbering your silly points doesn't increase their validity whatsoever.

1. That's just a history lesson. Defending the MW title 5 times and then losing it can by no means be considered getting 'exposed'.

2. He's actually 0-1 against kickboxers in MMA, since that is what you're referring to.

3. Stupidest point of the bunch. If a fighter happens to be the tallest at a weight, how in the world is it his fault that he has a height and reach advantage. That is an absolutely irrelevant statistic. Relevant is if he's able to win fights. Izzy is, or at the very least was, able to win fights. That's the only thing that matters. Smaller fighters can lose fights, too. Guess that hasn't crossed your mind huh.
Also since you brought it up and apparently do not know, P4P literally means 'pound for pound'. Height and reach are measures of length. Pound is a unit to measure weight.

4. Great point. Joke. You can not blame a fighter for the lack of competition in his weight class. To be the best you gotta beat the best, and if the best are a bunch of second class wrestlers, then it is what it is. Until someone better comes around. But until then that's just pointless trash talk. It's literally the exact same thing as the critique on Islam's and Khabib's striking. Lack of striking ability this, lack of striking ability that. Being the best in the world in one field is a benefit, not a guarantee. Only time will tell.

1. Izzy was defending his title against short and stubby MW's who lacked elite striking or wrestling. When he fought another elite MW striker he got destroyed.

2. Pereira proved he was a better striker in kickboxing, then proved it for a third time in MMA.

3. I didn't say it was Izzy's fault he was lanky, I said that he's proven he can't win (at least at a high level) without massive length advantages and in so far as P4P considers overall size rather than just weight which is only one metric, Izzy has proven that he's not P4P skillwise as he can't overcome opponents with similar or greater physical advantages.

4. I don't blame Izzy for his limited opposition but he can't be given too much credit for beating 2nd rate wrestlers, who also happen to be short and stubby and overmatched on the feet. He hasn't done brilliantly defending TD's as it is, so he's at best unproven against elite MW wrestlers. It's not hard to believe that a MW version of Islam would be stylistic kryptonite for him.

 

[BigDaddyChristopher]

God sherdogs absurd. Poatan won. It was a relatively decent fight. This narrative he wasn't trying to win till the 5th is beyond fan boying lol

My guy its called a game plan.. And when you learn what this is maybe then you can understand how he had one. He was training for 5 rounds he had the cardio he was planning on this.. Ok that is a game plan you plan on going 5 rounds... Doesn't mean your not trying to win early, just means you prepared. Right..

You know there is a joke i tell.. Having sex with me is like a heavy weight fight its scheduled for 12 rounds but its been known to end early right.

So guy was planning on going 5.. He wasn't looking for a fast knock out he was looking to drag this in the deep waters and thats what he PLANNED FOR.... Its not that your not wanting or hoping that it ends early. But lets face it those or more luck when you knock a guy out in 13 seconds right.. But if you train to go 5 rounds and you work hard and at the end the 5th round that guy is against the fence and can't get off of it and you beat his face in for it.. Then you had a game plan and it worked.. That is what you trained for...

Do you get it Sherdog brother or you still no understand?

 

[NEETzschean]

What sort of a dribbling moron are you?

I know it's post UFC event so all the dumb threads come out but this over the top even.

1st - point, yes but weird take. You push someone to mma where they become the ufc champ.

2 - lamo we just watched izzy outclass and prove again for the 3rd time he's the more skilled more technical kickboxer. Alex is just bigger has a good chin and hits harder... which leads to point 3

3 - do you even know what pound for pound means you absolute moron? Clue.. its to do with weight. Alex was in there at 225+ he was legit bigger amd heavier.

Izzy is undersize and weighs LESS than most of his opponent. Yes he is long rangy amd skinny but that has nothing to do with pound for pound.

Why do retards like you even make posts when you have such a limited understanding of mma?

Izzy only had real success when he was D1 Israel Adesanya and when he sucker punched Pereira after the bell. For all of his vast experience advantage in MMA, Izzy was losing the striking battle. Pereira stepped on the gas and two minutes later Izzy was Dizzy.

Whatever way you want to dress it up, Izzy is not the same fighter without a massive height and reach advantage, which he's had against every prior UFC MW opponent since Silva (and even there Izzy had 2 inches of height, 3 inches of reach). His skillset has been exaggerated, overhyped.