You should get the point deduction AND your position

[Hazuki Ryo]

If you have worked for the position, it's yours. It's not because someone cheats and gets a point deducted that we have to forget everything that has been done to get to that position.

It should also prevents anyone from grabbing the cage when the takedown is coming. A takedown is a significant opportunity and losing it is a huge disadvantage

 

[b00tysweat]

there should have been another point taken after that 2nd nut shot too

 

[Buff]

Most fouls committed in one match-up since Vinnie Jones was playing.

#ANDSTILL

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Eh, no. The point deduction is supposed to make up for an effect. That's pretty clear on the wordage of the text book on fouls and deductions. This would be akin to, "Usman is bleeding now because of Edwards inadvertent headbutt. So take a point away, and let's get a razor to Leon's head too, to even it out"

Yeah, that'd maybe stop headbutts from happening in the future, but that's not exactly how deductions work.

 

[FreedomCricket]

Just like other sports... you get the point reduction but the field is reset.

In football if there is a penalty you get yards but the play doesn't count (usually)

Or basketball, you get free throws but not the ball back (unless it's a technical)

Those aren't great examples but it would just be too difficult to stop the fight deduct the point and try to give exact position back.

For instance, usman had edwards and usman had some momentum to drag edwards down. When they reset, edwards is gonna do everything he can to get the best position to defend that start of a take down and the ref isn't going to give Usman that "momentum" back.

It makes sense to stand them up and start fresh and I think if you gave the fighter the option to keep position OR their opponent loses a point, they will take the point 99% of the time.

Unless you are about to choke someone out and they WWE eye gouge you or something.

 

[Fatback96]

I think putting them back in the same position has proven to never work out that well. Usually the guy ends up losing position right after the restart in action.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

 

[RockyLockridge]

I disagree should be up to the coach to take the point, or the position

 

[SakurabasEar]

I think he should have just given the position, and not deducted a point. But it makes no difference, Usman wasn't doing much anywhere

 

[Hazuki Ryo]

Just like other sports... you get the point reduction but the field is reset.

In football if there is a penalty you get yards but the play doesn't count (usually)

Or basketball, you get free throws but not the ball back (unless it's a technical)

Those aren't great examples but it would just be too difficult to stop the fight deduct the point and try to give exact position back.

For instance, usman had edwards and usman had some momentum to drag edwards down. When they reset, edwards is gonna do everything he can to get the best position to defend that start of a take down and the ref isn't going to give Usman that "momentum" back.

It makes sense to stand them up and start fresh and I think if you gave the fighter the option to keep position OR their opponent loses a point, they will take the point 99% of the time.

Unless you are about to choke someone out and they WWE eye gouge you or something.

In football (the real football) you get a red card AND a penalty given for the other team if you commit a serious foul in the penalty area

 

[Van Daz]

Most fouls committed in one match-up since Vinnie Jones was playing.

#ANDSTILL

Mean face on the pincher, but the pinchee is like he's saying....

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

If you have worked for the position, it's yours. It's not because someone cheats and gets a point deducted that we have to forget everything that has been done to get to that position.

It should also prevents anyone from grabbing the cage when the takedown is coming. A takedown is a significant opportunity and losing it is a huge disadvantage

i agree thats fucking stupid. easy way to exploit the rules if u are ahead in the fight or against a dominant grappler period

 

[ovinaso]

Usman had takedowns in other rounds in the last two fights
Didn't have any of these rounds scored 10-8

Point deduction without the position is fair

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

Eh, no. The point deduction is supposed to make up for an effect. That's pretty clear on the wordage of the text book on fouls and deductions. This would be akin to, "Usman is bleeding now because of Edwards inadvertent headbutt. So take a point away, and let's get a razor to Leon's head too, to even it out"

Yeah, that'd maybe stop headbutts from happening in the future, but that's not exactly how deductions work.

That's a bit troubling though isn't it?
Let's say you're in a 3 rounder and expect to have won round 1 and 2. Now you find yourself in an arm triangle in round 3 and you eye gouge your way out of it. Sacrifice the point and survive for a couple more minutes and you're the happy eye gouging winner of that fight.
Or would that translate to an immediate DQ?

 

[Morning Star]

I think the first offense you should get the position. 2nd offense you should get a point and the position.

 

[XRedStaRx]

Herb did the right thing. Let it play out till the end then do a point deduction. Had Usman taken him down despite the grab he gives him a point deduction after the position is lost not to disrupt the flow, it's called advantage.

He lost the position because of the fence grab, so only a point deduction is given.

 

[EYEKICKFACES]

That's a bit troubling though isn't it?
Let's say you're in a 3 rounder and expect to have won round 1 and 2. Now you find yourself in an arm triangle in round 3 and you eye gouge your way out of it. Sacrifice the point and survive for a couple more minutes and you're the happy eye gouging winner of that fight.
Or would that translate to an immediate DQ?

Odds are it would be a 10-8 round and the fight would be scored a draw.

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

If you have worked for the position, it's yours. It's not because someone cheats and gets a point deducted that we have to forget everything that has been done to get to that position.

It should also prevents anyone from grabbing the cage when the takedown is coming. A takedown is a significant opportunity and losing it is a huge disadvantage

I agree with an alternative exception.

I disagree should be up to the coach to take the point, or the position

That would be a fair system.

On the other hand I see the argument for point deduction plus back to position.
If you can quite literally trade a takedown vs a point, that opens up a loophole in the rules.
Let's say you fight a guy like Makhachev or Blaydes with a very controlling, heavy top game. If you're a striker and your gameplan is basically to keep the fight standing, and you've successfully done so for more than half of the fight and you expect to win on points, it would basically be 'reasonable', as in the sense of 'beneficial vs the alternative', to grab the fence, forfeit a point and continue from neutral.

 

[BoxingMMA]

Considering the job Usman was doing holding Leon down, I think he benefited from the point deduction more and he knew it because when he complained to herb about the position reset-he seemed pretty ok with herbs answer.

Now the controversy wouldn’t have been huge if after the separation Leon knocked Usman out, good thing that didn’t happen.

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

Odds are it would be a 10-8 round and the fight would be scored a draw.

I don't follow your argument. What odds? This was a hypothetical scenario. The previous rounds could've been scored whatever.
The point was that you would be able to escape a definitive finish, which is the worst case scenario, and trade it in for a point deduction without even having to go back into the position.
So if a fighter finds himself in that situation, there is one outcome that is deterministically favorable to the other, which would mean the fighter would have to at least try to commit a foul, if he acted stricly logic based.