The .45 Caliber Dead

[Chesten_Hesten]

there is really nothing a guy shooting a .45 can do, that he wouldnt do faster and better with a 9mm. Thats not even hyperbole, its statistically verifiable fact by now. Im a big 10mm fan but i only carry in woods carry for situations where the penetration value is an absolute must have. Against a man sized threat? the ability to score rapid accurate shots is the single biggest determinant to effectiveness and repeated training experience has show that no matter HOW well trained a person is in any caliber, the easier to shoot caliber will when in that metric. 9mm is close enough to .45 in trauma performance that the better recoil characteristics give it a big lead.

even the rounds you're touting arent really that impressive. 225 gr at 1075? the most common 10mm loads on my shelf right now are 200 gr at 1250. these arent 'super charged' rounds. its just factory ass FMJ. thats what i dont get about .45 anymore. it forces you into big clunky guns. lacks capacity. and even with BIG BOY rounds, you're still underperforming average 10mm. Why buy a Glock 21 when you can get a Glock 20 with roughly the same 'throw weight' but 30% more energy per magazine all for similar recoil?

I get it, you like 9mm. I do too, in the guns I have it in. It beats a .380 Is it close to a factory 45 nowadays? Yes. Is it lighter, easier to shoot? Yes.
Does it hit as hard? No. Can you even load it to hit as hard? Maybe, if you compare it to factory 45 stuff. Load the 45 to potential, and the 9mm falls off again.

Will a 9mm kill ya? Yes. It doesn't take a cannon to kill. A 22 mag will kill a bear, but that doesn't mean its the preferred round to do it always.

My point with the 45 loading against 10mm is yours with the 9mm to 45. Is it close? Pretty much. I wouldn't bother spending more money on a 10, or 40 when I can just load up the 45 I already got, Make sense? If I want something else, cheaper, easier, smaller I go with a 9mm.

Do you remember when the 45acp was the light recoiling combat round? That was the mentality in the 80s-early 90s when Cops were still running with 357s, and 44 revolvers.

9mm is the evolution down from all out stopping power to weight/capacity/control. 44mags, 357 mags, 45acp, 9mms. (Oh no, the 9mm won't shoot through car doors and we gotta shoot fuckers 12 times to putt'em down, Officers are getting toasted, quick we need more: 10mm to the rescue! Great. Oh shit, no one can qualify with this motherfucker, and the ammo budget is killing us, how bout a 40? Great! Wait, most of the goddamn women can't shoot this thing fer shit. We need something smaller, lighter easier to shoot. How bout a 9mm? Great problem solved!) things go round n round.


If more and more States end up restricting magazine capacity to 10rnds. I'll bet you'll start seeing a resurgence in things like 45s, 40s, and even 10mms again. People will want more punch for the rounds they got. A lot of 9mm guys will be pissed as their 20rnd capacity super 9 gets relegated to range only status. Or they gotta buy mag blocks and 10 rnd mags.


9mm is underwhelming sometimes shooting steel. At matches, when the 9mm guys ask for the Pepper Poppers to be adjusted to fall over easier so they don't have to hit them perfect to knock them over. When I shoot the steel on my home range, and I'm 20 yards and over. If I don't hear the ding, or see the spot, its sometimes hard to tell I hit it at all. Nothing even moves. Shit's really weenie sometimes.

 

[Smokes]

You want a micro .45acp?

not really a mirco but a sub compact like the G30 or XDM. but i would really like a p365xl in a single stack .45

 

[Smokes]

Since y’all were talking about ballistic and such, anyone shoot a .22 TCM? I never have but it’s seems to be better than a .380.



and I love .380. One My first guns was a Bersa .380 and made me feel like James Bond. I miss it and now I want one again

 

[jericksen5]

A lot of the younger guys at the club I go to have been referring to 45 as “45 AARP”, which I have to say is pretty clever lol.

 

[jericksen5]

not really a mirco but a sub compact like the G30 or XDM. but i would really like a p365xl in a single stack .45

Just get a commander sized 1911.

 

[Smokes]

Just get a commander sized 1911.

almost to that point but I want something tacticacool and want to throw on a light on to it.

 

[jericksen5]

almost to that point but I want something tacticacool and want to throw on a light on to it.

You can get a commander sized one with a rail.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

I have zero interest in 45 sub compact or single stacks in general. Tbh why get a full-size 45 when you can get 1 CM. Only kinda joking.

I have a Sig P227 in 45. I like it. It's actually kind of disappointing how few rounds the P220 and now discontinued P227 have.

Should have been 13 rounds standard in the P227.

Also I'm confused why this didn't sell. It's a double stack P220. I would love a P227 in 10mm with 15-16 round capacity. Was really excited hearing sig was making a p22X in 10mm, was immediately disappointed it's 8 round capacity. That's almost half the capacity of other full size 10mm offerings.

 

[My Spot]

Do all 1911s have both grip and thumb safeties?

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Do all 1911s have both grip and thumb safeties?

Just about, yes.

 

[My Spot]

Just about, yes.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Wilson Makes one without:

 

[My Spot]

Wilson Makes one without:

Still has a thumb safety.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Still has a thumb safety.

Thumb safeties are great. You thumb it off whenever you want to.

I think thumb safeties are crucial when you got a trigger setup to be less than 2lbs and travel less than 1/8 of an inch on the gun.

You train your draw/presentation to go safety off as you stroke out.

Its quick.

Know what I mean?

Between here:

and here: is where the safety clicks off.

And generally you're not touching the trigger until closer to the end, cause there's hardly a need for trigger prep. Its finger on, go!

 

[My Spot]

Thumb safeties are great. You thumb it off whenever you want to.

I think thumb safeties are crucial when you got a trigger setup to be less than 2lbs and travel less than 1/8 of an inch on the gun.

You train your draw/presentation to go safety off as you stroke out.

Its quick.

Know what I mean?

Between here:

and here: is where the safety clicks off.

And generally you're not touching the trigger until closer to the end, cause there's hardly a need for trigger prep. Its finger on, go!

I don't like any external safeties.

 

[jericksen5]

I have zero interest in 45 sub compact or single stacks in general. Tbh why get a full-size 45 when you can get 1 CM. Only kinda joking.

I have a Sig P227 in 45. I like it. It's actually kind of disappointing how few rounds the P220 and now discontinued P227 have.

Should have been 13 rounds standard in the P227.

Also I'm confused why this didn't sell. It's a double stack P220. I would love a P227 in 10mm with 15-16 round capacity. Was really excited hearing sig was making a p22X in 10mm, was immediately disappointed it's 8 round capacity. That's almost half the capacity of other full size 10mm offerings.

They had a P227 Tacops model that had a 14rd mag.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

I don't like any external safeties.

You're a lover of long shit triggers then?

 

[My Spot]

You're a lover of long shit triggers then?

Good enough for SOF.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Good enough for SOF.

Those sigs nowadays, or maybe some CZ is the closest you're going to get to a halfassed trigger then.

They still won't be what a 1911 trigger can be, but unless you've felt that and shot that you wont know the difference anyhow.

You want it in 9, or 40?

 

[My Spot]

Those sigs nowadays, or maybe some CZ is the closest you're going to get to a halfassed trigger then.

They still won't be what a 1911 trigger can be, but unless you've felt that and shot that you wont know the difference anyhow.

You want it in 9, or 40?

https://www.military.com/kitup/2016/10/marsoc-chooses-glock-19s-45s-raiders.html