Opinion A mental health crisis?

[Lubaolong]

I think if you combine this with the floated theory that most mental illness is undiagnosed you can get somewhere. I think we should probably give it some thought. I wouldn’t dismiss it so easily. Not sure how you’d designs a proper study though

You talk like there is no research about risk assessment, role of mental illness in mass murders, the motivations behind school shooters, etc. Most mental illnesses do not increase the risk for violence. While there is a modest increase for severe mental illness, there are other risk factors that play a more substantial role in violent behavior. I would bet being a regular poster in a Sherdog tranny thread may be more of a risk factor than taking an antidepressant.

 

[cincymma79]

You talk like there is no research about risk assessment, role of mental illness in mass murders, the motivations behind school shooters, etc. Most mental illnesses do not increase the risk for violence. While there is a modest increase for severe mental illness, there are other risk factors that play a more substantial role in violent behavior. I would bet being a regular poster in a Sherdog tranny thread may be more of a risk factor than taking an antidepressant.

Before I go looking increased risk for depressed people commuting violence?

 

[RemyR]

Severe psychiatric illness is involved in around 5% of mass shootings. Not sure why people always think bad behavior = mental illness.

Yeah I'm not buying that. I own several guns and they aren't telling me to shoot people. Someone has to be pretty fucked up in the head to go to a crowded mall, school, etc and shoot random people. That's just not a normal train of thought from a mentally healthy person. Just because they aren't diagnosed doesn't mean they aren't suffering from something.

 

[Damien Karras]

Yeah I'm not buying that. I own several guns and they aren't telling me to shoot people. Someone has to be pretty fucked up in the head to go to a crowded mall, school, etc and shoot random people. That's just not a normal train of thought from a mentally healthy person. Just because they aren't diagnosed doesn't mean they aren't suffering from something.

I dunno man, human nature can cause people to turn pretty dark and evil without additional influence. Think of genocide and the people perpetrating it. Not everyone who partakes in it is mentally ill.

 

[AZ103]

Psychiatrist: I diagnose mental illness!
Me: I want to chop my dick off and make every one call me princess woman.
Psychiatrist: that's totally normal and not a mental illness at all! Unless it makes you uncomfortable you're good.

Pseudo science. But hey don't believe me read up on it's history and see how much good they've done.

 

[SummerStriker]

Humans have high in group autruism and high outgroup aggression. I could kill Russians way easier than Americans, emotionally.

Some people go to the mall and see an outgroup everywhere.

Whose fault is that?

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I dunno man, human nature can cause people to turn pretty dark and evil without additional influence. Think of genocide and the people perpetrating it. Not everyone who partakes in it is mentally ill.

People often talk about the drone strike operators who have PTSD. I’m more interested in the ones who don’t.

I suspect it’s a lot more than people would be comfortable with.

 

[spamking]

Severe psychiatric illness is involved in around 5% of mass shootings. Not sure why people always think bad behavior = mental illness.

We think that normal people just don't walk into a mall and open fire on a group of people because they're behaving in a "normal" way. We see that type of behavior as very abnormal and something that a person with some type mental health issue or someone suffering a mental health crisis would carry out. It's more than just simple bad behavior.

 

[spamking]

while completely ignoring the toxic expectations and elements within society that created the mental health issue in the first place.

Social media and even this place can be very toxic some days. The solution is to put the phone away or turn off your PC and go do something else. Unfortunately, there are obviously many of us who don't do that near enough some days.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Humans have high in group autruism and high outgroup aggression. I could kill Russians way easier than Americans, emotionally.

Some people go to the mall and see an outgroup everywhere.

Whose fault is that?

This is a good point, and haunting.

I think social democracy provides a bit of an antidote to this, but there’s no cure.

 

[PhitePhan]

Psychiatrist: I diagnose mental illness!
Me: I want to chop my dick off and make every one call me princess woman.
Psychiatrist: that's totally normal and not a mental illness at all! Unless it makes you uncomfortable you're good.

Pseudo science. But hey don't believe me read up on it's history and see how much good they've done.

Not to mention the the false idea of a “chemical imbalance” in the brain… total BS literally created to sell drugs. SMH.

Depression Is Not Caused by Chemical Imbalance in the Brain

The causes of depression have been long debated, yet a common explanation holds that the culprit is “chemical imbalance” in the brain. This notion emerged, not coincidentally, in the late '80s with the introduction of Prozac—a drug that appeared to be helpful in treating depression by increasing levels of the brain neurotransmitter serotonin.

Moreover, research has shown that drug effects are often no better than those achieved via placebo, and may not lead to a better quality of life in the long term. A 2010 review of the literature summarized: “Meta-analyses of FDA trials suggest that antidepressants are only marginally efficacious compared to placebos and document profound publication biasthat inflates their apparent efficacy… Conclusions: The reviewed findings argue for a reappraisal of the current recommended standard of care of depression.” Antidepressant medication is no miracle cure.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...is-not-caused-chemical-imbalance-in-the-brain

 

[Damien Karras]

People often talk about the drone strike operators who have PTSD. I’m more interested in the ones who don’t.

I suspect it’s a lot more than people would be comfortable with.

Some people are just more mentally resilient than others. You can justify your actions by saying "if I kill a few hundred people now in order to save thousands of innocent lives such as my men and people back home, I am doing a good thing" and you can be at peace with wht you're doing. Doing so mentally prepares you better for the death and destruction you are partaking in.

Some of the most cold blooded and calculating Generals and Secretary of Defense used this utilitarian justification in their decision making. Robert S. MCnamara was a killing machine. He later regretted the decisions he made and the entire philosophy he adopted to make crucial decisions during the Cold War and Vietnam War. General Curtis "Bombs Away" Lemay tried to push JFK into a issuing a first strike order in Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He gave all sorts of numbers success vs. risk %, number of domestic lives saved vs. Cubans killed, ability to weaken Cuban defenses and allow an invasion to stop the Nuclear warhead silos from becoming operational; all of which sounded convincing. JFK resisted the pressure on the notion that killing so many Cuban people would constitute an immoral act, and that military action was not the avenue to pursue until all diplomatic attempts have failed. We now know that had he succumbed to Lemay's pressures, Krushchev had Russian submarines roaming American coastlines waiting to launch nukes in case of an American first strike on Cuba.

I don't trust any peson whose sole consideration for decision-making is a net cost-benefit ratio. That approach is imbued in eerily robotic and perfectly logical reasoning absent of any humanism. Elon Musk is this kind of person, for example. But so is the officer giving an order to kill thousands of people in a drone strike because it saves the lives of a few of his men and costs the American government less money thanks to its expediency. Humans are simply capable of rationalizing their violence as a necessary evil to achieve something good.

 

[Lubaolong]

Psychiatrist: I diagnose mental illness!
Me: I want to chop my dick off and make every one call me princess woman.
Psychiatrist: that's totally normal and not a mental illness at all! Unless it makes you uncomfortable you're good.

Pseudo science. But hey don't believe me read up on it's history and see how much good they've done.

Being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or questioning is consider part of a normal spectrum of human diversity and not mental illness. This has been the position of major professional organizations for decades. Almost all diagnoses in the DSM require significant distress or impairment as part of the diagnostic criteria. The claims you've made reflect a willful ignorance of established consensus and an unfortunate prejudice against transgender individuals.

 

[Lubaolong]

Not to mention the the false idea of a “chemical imbalance” in the brain… total BS literally created to sell drugs. SMH.

A non story.

 

[TrueBias]

Ya know, ive always saw a shrink when i was a teen, but now out of college, i gotta go thru insurance. And nobody accepts it.

Perhaps insure more mental health practices? Fucking 3 alone just for me.

 

[AZ103]

Not to mention the the false idea of a “chemical imbalance” in the brain… total BS literally created to sell drugs. SMH.

Depression Is Not Caused by Chemical Imbalance in the Brain

The causes of depression have been long debated, yet a common explanation holds that the culprit is “chemical imbalance” in the brain. This notion emerged, not coincidentally, in the late '80s with the introduction of Prozac—a drug that appeared to be helpful in treating depression by increasing levels of the brain neurotransmitter serotonin.

Moreover, research has shown that drug effects are often no better than those achieved via placebo, and may not lead to a better quality of life in the long term. A 2010 review of the literature summarized: “Meta-analyses of FDA trials suggest that antidepressants are only marginally efficacious compared to placebos and document profound publication biasthat inflates their apparent efficacy… Conclusions: The reviewed findings argue for a reappraisal of the current recommended standard of care of depression.” Antidepressant medication is no miracle cure.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...is-not-caused-chemical-imbalance-in-the-brain

Luba will ltell you everyone has known this for decades and mental health professionals never used that language. He'd be lying like a rug of course. Nearly the entirety of the feild is unscientific horse shit but they think they are a doctor. From lobotomies to chemical castrati0n of minors. It's really come a long way.

 

[Lubaolong]

Luba will ltell you everyone has known this for decades and mental health professionals never used that language. He'd be lying like a rug of course.

Should be easy to refute then. I’ll wait.

Nearly the entirety of the feild is unscientific horse shit but they think they are a doctor.

Are you saying people who graduate med school are not doctors? Interesting.

 

[AZ103]

Should be easy to refute then. I’ll wait.



Are you saying people who graduate med school are not doctors? Interesting.

You want me to find you one instance of a credentialed professional repeating that lie in an article or on TV? Just clarifying so I can bury you in 5 seconds.

Psychiatrists aren't doctors and I don't give a fuck what they call their schools. Charlatans.

 

[AZ103]

Should be easy to refute then. I’ll wait.



Are you saying people who graduate med school are not doctors? Interesting.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266656032200038X let's start here and move forward

 

[Lubaolong]

You want me to find you one instance of a credentialed professional repeating that lie in an article or on TV? Just clarifying so I can bury you in 5 seconds.

Any individual crackpot can say anything. I’m telling you I’ve never been taught or heard (outside laymen conversation) that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin. I’ve never met a single psychiatrist who holds this belief. This seems like a hypothesis from the 50s or 60s that the pharmaceutical industry latched onto to promote their drugs to the general public.

Psychiatrists aren't doctors and I don't give a fuck what they call their schools. Charlatans.