Bizarre Cases of the missing and murdered

Father of 8 and having to pay alimony. He yeeted out of here
 
ralphc1 said:
There is a woman from Winona, Minnesota who has been missing since last Friday and her family has offered a reward of $50,000. From a news article;

"During the course of the investigation, Winona police know that Kingsbury returned to her residence in Winona after dropping her kids off at daycare around 8:15 a.m. on March 31 in a 2014 dark blue Chrysler Town and Country minivan.

The father of Kingsbury’s children said he left in her minivan around 10 a.m. and when he returned later in the day, she was not home.

Police believe a similar van was seen driving on County Road 12 and Highway 43 in Winona County and then southbound on Highway 43 through the eastern part of Fillmore County. Later, a van similar to Kingsbury’s drove back towards Winona on Highway 43. This occurred during the timeframe of 10 a.m. and 1 p.m.

Police said the van has been parked in her residence since 1:30 p.m. on March 31 and they are not currently looking for the van.

Authorities located her phone, the jacket she wore earlier that morning and her wallet inside the home.

Nothing to date indicates that Kingsbury left on foot or in another vehicle.

Winona Police believe Kingsbury’s disappearance is suspicious and involuntary."

https://www.weau.com/2023/04/05/pol...-womans-disappearance-involuntary-suspicious/

I admit that I didn't think to much about this case when I first heard it. I thought it could be somebody caught up in drugs that just took off. When the $50,000 reward was offered I started thinking that maybe it was something different.

It seems to me that the father of her children would be the top suspect. It seems he admits leaving in her van and says she was not there when he returned at 1:30. The article doesn't say what the father told the police about where he went in the van and it appears that they are trying to find video evidence of where it may have been suggesting they are suspicious that he may have taken her body somewhere. If she was home when he left, she disappeared between 10 AM and 1:30 PM. I can understand why the police don't think she left voluntarily. Who would have come to the house and kidnapped her in that time?

The police said that she was expected to be at work but they didn't say where she worked. I searched for Madeline Kingsbury and found Linkedin profile of a person by that name that looks like her who is a Clinical research coordinator for the Mayo Clinic branch in Winona Minnesota.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/madeline-kingsbury-0187a6174?original_referer=https://www.google.com/

I thought it could be her mother because it seems 26 is young to have that position but her mother's name is Deanna Naber.

They are saying it is out of character for her not to go to work or call in. She took her children to daycare at 8:15. I would think that a job at Mayo would start at 8:30 or 9 AM. Most people drop their children off at daycare on the way to work and don't go back home. Maybe she lived close enough to walk to work but I suspect she would drive her van to pick up the kids after work. If she did walk to work, I suppose she could have been grabbed then. The weather forecast for Friday the 31st was cold windy with a 97% chance of precipitation so not exactly a day to walk to work.

I would like to know what the father of her children said about her not going to work and why he didn't pick up the kids because the van probably had car seats for the children. Does he have a vehicle and why did he take hers?

Some reports say they started calling when she didn't come in to work. If the phone was in the house, certainly the kids father would have heard that.

My thought is that he killed her and used her van to drop the body somewhere. It would have been best if the van was missing too but he probably didn't have a way to get back to the house.
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No further information on this case. Searches were conducted along the Mississippi River but the spring floods might have carried a body far away.

Meanwhile there is a fight over custodial rights to her children. The county currently has custody of them and the children have been placed with Maddie's parents. The biological father is having trouble getting custody due to a Minnesota law that would require the mother to sign a Recognition of Parentage to acknowledge who the father is.
https://www.kttc.com/2023/05/15/for...sbury-appears-court-seeking-custody-children/

The Minnesota Voluntary Recognition of Parentage (PDF) is a document that establishes a legal relationship between a man and a child when the man is not married to the child's mother. Signing a Recognition of Parentage is an easy and inexpensive alternative to getting a court order establishing the legal father.

Both parents must sign this form to make the man the child's legal father. The completed form must be filed with the Office of Vital Records at the Minnesota Department of Health or it is not valid. The Office of Vital Records will then put the biological father's name on the child's birth record.

The status of the relationship between Kingsbury and the children's biological father Adam Fravel is still somewhat of a mystery as it isn't being commented on. Were they living together or had they broken up? The police aren't releasing much other than that he was the last one to see her. She is said to have dropped the children off at daycare possibly with Fravel. If Fravel was living with her and working from home, why was daycare needed? If Maddi wasn't going to work that day, why was daycare needed? Fravel reportedly admitted to leaving in Maddi's van at 10AM and returning at 1:30 and she was gone. I thought it was reported that people from her work started calling her at 9AM which would have been before Fravel claims to have left in her vehicle. I haven't heard anything about why he was using her vehicle. I don't know if the residence had an attached garage where a body could have been loaded. Fravel hasn't really talked to the press.
 
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...nklins-basement-filled-with-skeletons-524521/


In 1998, conservationists were doing repairs on 36 Craven, looking to turn Franklin’s old haunt into a museum. “From a one-meter-wide, one-meter-deep pit, over 1,200 pieces of bone were retrieved”—remnants of more than a dozen bodies, according to Benjamin Franklin House. Six were children. Forensic investigations showed that the bones dated to Franklin’s day.


“The most plausible explanation is not mass murder, but an anatomy school run by Benjamin Franklin’s young friend and protege, William Hewson,” said the Guardian in 2003.


Franklin was probably aware of the illegal studies going on in his building, says the Benjamin Franklin House, but it’s doubtful the he was involved himself.
 
WINONA, Minn. — The children of Madeline Kingsbury, the Winona woman who has been missing since March, will remain with Kingsbury's parents at least until a custody case plays out in family court.

Winona County took custody of the children after Kingbury’s disappearance because Adam Fravel, Kingsbury’s ex-boyfriend, does not have custodial rights, and the county alleged the children are in need of protective custody.


In the CHIPS case, Fravel asked for the children to be returned to him. Both sides acknowledged the reason the county does not want the children in his care is that police suspect his involvement in Kingsbury’s disappearance. He has not been charged.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news...amily/89-e3222a34-4eca-4def-a5d9-c3f6ef3bb4cc

Has the father of her children managed to kill her without leaving any traces? I don't know how it could be anyone else. He left in her vehicle after the time she would have left for work. If she wasn't going to work, why take the kids to daycare?
 
The remains found Wednesday in Minnesota's Filmore County were confirmed to be those of Madeline Kingsbury by the medical examiner as reported in a press conference this afternoon. The remains were found by a sheriffs deputy searching an area because of digital clues. They wouldn't say what the digital clues were. The remains were concealed in a wooded area and nearby property owned by the father's family. They weren't divulging anything else and didn't answer questions about the arrest of the father other than that it was conducted by officers from the county where her body was found. They didn't say if a cause of death had been determined. There were several officials there to say very little.
 
If anyone is interested, they released the criminal complaint against Adam Fravel in the death of Madeline Kingsbury today. It is at the end of this article.
https://www.kttc.com/2023/06/09/for...bury-charged-with-2-counts-2nd-degree-murder/

Some cliffs;
Kingsbury was dumping Fravel and was the primary wage earner.

He was at the house that they shared to move his things out.

After they returned to the house from taking the children to daycare Fravel said Kingsbury went to her basement office for a zoom call than was going to go to work in Rochester later.

Fravel said he loaded some of his possessions into her van and headed to his parents house in Filmore County. Before he got there he realized that the boxes he had should have gone to a storage facility so he went back to the house and unloaded the boxes there. Madeline was gone but his car was still there so he assumed she carpooled to Rochester.
Security camera footage showed Fravel removing the license plate from the van then putting a license plate back on which later video of the van at a gas station showed it was the plate from his car.

Kingsbury was found in a culvert wrapped in a sheet from her house taped up with tape that matched tape found at the residence.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nce-reveals-bullets-two-guns-pulled-body.html


Second shooter' behind John Lennon murder: New evidence reveals bullets from two different guns were pulled from Beatles legend's body in autopsy

Two different guns may have been used in the John Lennon shooting, according to a British writer investigating the case.


Author and TV producer David Whelan has unearthed official records showing for the first time that two different types of bullets were removed from the music legend's body following his fatal shooting on December 8, 1980.


Mr Whelan believes a 'second shooter' could have been involved in the murder of Lennon and has now uncovered dramatic new evidence supporting his case.

Mr Whelan's three-year investigation into the murder has highlighted a series of extraordinary inconsistencies - including the suggestion that detectives may have fundamentally misunderstood how the shooting happened.

Whelan's research has focussed on the bullets recovered from the scene.


Oddly, only two 'slugs' were ever entered into evidence, according to the documents, despite the fact that Chapman was said to have fired all the rounds in his five-chamber '.38 special' revolver, four of them hitting Lennon.


The whereabouts of the missing three bullets is unknown.


But the two bullets which were removed from Lennon's body during the autopsy raise their own intriguing questions, says Mr Whelan, because they are marked as being of different types.

One is marked on a receipt from the New York morgue, where Lennon's body was stored, as an '1 x 38 cal.SWC', which stands for 'Semi-wadcutter' or hollow-point bullet, designed to spread out on impact with a target.


The other is listed as simply '1 x 38cal lead bullet'.


Mr Whelan told MailOnline: 'Though unlikely, it is possible to have different types of ammunition in a single revolver.


'But Chapman always insisted he was using hollow point wadcutter bullets and he was familiar with guns and ammunition from his security guard days.'


He added: 'Different bullet types found in John Lennon's body is explosive information.

'Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Lennon's autopsy has not been leaked to the world by the authorities, and the wishes of Lennon's family to keep John's autopsy private have been respected.'


Mr Whelan believes that the different bullet types bolster his theory that a second shooter was involved in the killing.


As we revealed in April, Mr Whelan, 56, has spoken to key figures involved in the aftermath of the shooting. These include the surgeon who treated Lennon and two nurses who assisted - as well as uncovering other witness testimonies which don't appear to correspond with the official narrative.


The prosecution's version of events, accepted by the courts, was that disturbed loner Chapman lay in wait for Lennon and shot five times, four of the bullets hitting his victim in the back. But this now appears to be riddled with contradictions.


Instead, Whelan's witnesses suggest that the way the shooting was officially recorded may have been completely wrong - with the fatal shots fired into Lennon's chest rather than back.

He added: 'If Mark Chapman was shooting hollow bullets at John Lennon and only one hit him, with four missing, this could account for the one which was found in Lennon. It could also account for three bullets holes low down in the glass vestibule doors which were at a height that didn't match Lennon's upper left chest wounds.


'As for the other normal lead bullet that was found in Lennon, could this have come from the weapon of a second shooter inside the vestibule area, and be the single bullet that a doctor and two nurses all said was left in Lennon's body?'


He added: 'The scenario would be that Chapman fired at Lennon when he was walking into the vestibule doors. Four missed, with three hitting the glass doors. One hollow bullet struck Lennon.


'Lennon, staggered onwards into the vestibule, but a second shooter concealed inside the building finished the job and shot Lennon with four bullets in his upper left chest area in a 'tight professional grouping' (as the medical staff all claimed), with one bullet staying in Lennon and three exiting his back.


'The hollow-point bullets Chapman supposedly used do not usually pass through a victim, as they are designed to spread out on impact, causing maximum damage to the body.'


Yet three bullets did pass through Lennon, leaving holes in the glass panels of a vestibule door attached to the security entrance of the building. Whelan claimed that the slugs' marks in the door were too low to have come from shots to Lennon's shoulder.
 
The bullet may have been deformed enough that they couldn't determine the original shape. Two bullets in the body and three in the door add up to 5.
 
squirrelynuts said:
No….. what happened
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He made a thread on here, years and years ago about strange things in his house. He was updating his thread and documenting paranormal events and then suddenly stopped posting … this was 7 or 8 years ago, iirc.

I can’t remember his exact username. Hopefully someone on here can find the thread.
 
Goonerview said:
He made a thread on here, years and years ago about strange things in his house. He was updating his thread and documenting paranormal events and then suddenly stopped posting … this was 7 or 8 years ago, iirc.

I can’t remember his exact username. Hopefully someone on here can find the thread.
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First I’ve heard of it. Is he the sherdogger that had a shit ton of photos of Dakota Fanning?
 
squirrelynuts said:
First I’ve heard of it. Is he the sherdogger that had a shit ton of photos of Dakota Fanning?
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No that was another poster.
Ronnie911 was either a great troll, or he was taken by ghosts or demons to another place. But wherever he is, we know he is benching the 265 and repping the Sherdog on the otherside.... R.I.P Ronnie911.
 
ralphc1 said:
If anyone is interested, they released the criminal complaint against Adam Fravel in the death of Madeline Kingsbury today. It is at the end of this article.
https://www.kttc.com/2023/06/09/for...bury-charged-with-2-counts-2nd-degree-murder/

Some cliffs;
Kingsbury was dumping Fravel and was the primary wage earner.

He was at the house that they shared to move his things out.

After they returned to the house from taking the children to daycare Fravel said Kingsbury went to her basement office for a zoom call than was going to go to work in Rochester later.

Fravel said he loaded some of his possessions into her van and headed to his parents house in Filmore County. Before he got there he realized that the boxes he had should have gone to a storage facility so he went back to the house and unloaded the boxes there. Madeline was gone but his car was still there so he assumed she carpooled to Rochester.
Security camera footage showed Fravel removing the license plate from the van then putting a license plate back on which later video of the van at a gas station showed it was the plate from his car.

Kingsbury was found in a culvert wrapped in a sheet from her house taped up with tape that matched tape found at the residence.
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I'm way too drunk and lazy. Bryce Borca is another big one from my state and city. It's absolutely crazy he hasn't been found yet.
 
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