Social I still don't understand why slavery is blamed on white Americans

[Spam On Rye]

Or you could just condemn the American slave holders and racist politicians that refused to consider black Americans equal human beings. If you don't consider that they were white you might not feel the need to defend the race. There are plenty of other white Americans with character that proved themselves worthy of praise.

It cancels out?

Irish, Jews, Italians, were all discriminated against at one point but they weren't literal slaves.

So

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Sounds like it already has. You brought up a non-american country in a discussion about american slavery and now that the facts are in your face, you, @Clifford_Harris and @blackheart are scrambling to tough guy talk and ad-homs. How fucking embarassing.

It's your own thread about American slavery and you were the first one to bring up a foreign country to justify the actions of white slave owners.

 

[Snubnoze707]

If there was no market for slaves then African lords wouldn't have no one to sell to captain race baiter.

West Africans were being enslaved in Africa well before the arrival of Europeans...

The infrastructure was already there when they showed up, they didn't create this market.

 

[OneOfOne]

West Africans were being enslaved in Africa well before the arrival of Europeans...

The infrastructure was already there when they showed up, they didn't create this market.

They created the market in America tho which is the place were talking about

 

[Snubnoze707]

They created the market in America tho which is the place were talking about

Nice side step. My point was incredibly relevant.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

There are some people in personal circle who I consider to be generally good people who push such an odd narrative. They say that african-americans fall behind in so many ways because of the history of white America & slavery. Even when I was younger this never made sense to me. Anyone who has read any religious text would know that slavery is neither an American or a white phenomenon. Especially when you realise that the slaves in America were sold by black Africans.

Someone I had a civil but loud argument with was trying to convince me that america was very invested in slavery because they had a civil war over it. But there within lied the contradiction. Aren't the same 'evil' white Americans the ones who fought to end slavery in that very civil war? To which the answer was an angry look and silence.

I honestly think if we are going to use the argument that slavery disadvantaged this racial group. Then the blame lies with who sold the slaves, and not who freed them.

Is this retard really trying to justify slavery?

lmao

You need to move to the middle east, where being an animal is still in vogue.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It's possible I'm not following you so I apologize in advance if I'm not-- but if I understand correctly, I think most honest conservatives would strongly and vocally agree with you on the clean slate thinking. Maybe there are a lot of conservatives who are hypocritical in their practices vs thinking. Or maybe they just have different reasoning or possibly flawed reasoning in how they feel it best to come to that point. But I think most conservatives would heartily agree with what you've said here as phrased.
I would also say that while I agree the issue of inherited wealth has its roots in racist behavior, either lawful or means that circumvented law, that issue today does not discriminate. If I had to guess, I'd say this: most rich people are white, but most white people are not rich. I know I'm not.

And sure, my own experience in anecdotal. My own personal dot on the grid does not represent the vast majority. But it is a dot nonetheless, and I know there are many other dots like me. There's more dots that represent black people in need, I understand. But I think the problem of wealth has become largely a function of class issues, even if it began as a racial one.

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I think the conservative ideal is like something from a Harlan Coben novel. The guy who owns the big company in town inherited from his dad, his right-hand man was his dad's right-hand man, his personal security guy was his dad's personal security guy, etc. He (and his kids) get away with stuff that other people wouldn't, but he's expected to sponsor the local Little League team, pay for his employee's smart kid to go to college, and stuff like that. Everyone has a place in society that they know, and they're respected as long as they play their role correctly, and things don't change much from generation to generation. Minimal taxes and regulations, and the Church covers people who get in a jam.

The liberal ideal is creative destruction, individualism, fast growth, equal rights/protection under the law, widely available college education, and a safety net to ensure basic needs are met.

The Cold War sort of messed all that up, as we got a rightist movement that both opposed social obligations for the rich and a safety net (and a leftist movement with a lot of rightist assumptions baked in as a a result), which really leaves poor people fucked. We're seeing the old right take over, and a move away from capitalism and toward protectionism with some support for a limited safety net, but the race stuff is inevitably going to be a big problem because the ideal itself just doesn't really work if women are free and there's no racial caste system.

 

[My Spot]

The liberal ideal is creative destruction, individualism, fast growth, equal rights/protection under the law, widely available college education, and a safety net to ensure basic needs are met.

 

[Jack V Savage]

@Jack V Savage In your opinion what's the best way to address the call for reparations? Is there a way to address it at all?

I just don't see it as a real issue. It's something brought up way more by opponents than supporters.

 

[Siver!]

I'm saying that has nothing to do with the original conversation you posted about. The groups I mentioned were discriminated against when they first came to the US but they weren't literal slaves the way black people were. You just seem to want to justify white people having owned slaves, and thereby minimize the generational disadvantages that has caused black people, even if modern white people are no longer legally discriminating against them.

This guy is totally incoherent...

You're going to have a tough time, I can't keep up with the schizophrenic logical leaps.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

So

That's a very compelling argument. I'm convinced.

 

[I Am Legion]

Are you of the opinion that Donald Trump is a contributing factor in this?

WHy Trump? Blacks have been succeeding way before Trump. If you are asking if some Government programs like Black Business Loan availability at low interest rates, and free college tuition programs for Black youth, I would say some of that certainly helped. But how about give some credit to Black folks that didn't see themselves as victims. 2 Parent families raised their kids to work hard and make something of themselves. I would rather give the credit to them rather than Government programs.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

West Africans were being enslaved in Africa well before the arrival of Europeans...

The infrastructure was already there when they showed up, they didn't create this market.

Did they sell a portion of their slaves to the West or was the demand so great it required the slavers to go out and capture more people simply to supply the new demand?

To put it another way, if people weren't willing to pay for sex, there might still be gold diggers out there but a brothel full of prostitutes wouldn't be a profitable business.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Did they sell a portion of their slaves to the West or was the demand so great it required the slavers to go out and capture more people simply to supply the new demand?

To put it another way, if people weren't willing to pay for sex, there might still be gold diggers out there but a brothel full of prostitutes wouldn't be a profitable business.

Oh I'm sure production increased, however the point was that the market existed within Africa before European demand. Without European demand, the slave market in Africa would still exist. In fact, the slave market in Africa STILL exists today.

 

[AZ103]

Lol it was ignored. Not only ignored it was later negotiated so that blacks weren't even considered humans but only 60%.

It wasn't ignored it was included in the original declaration you uneducated troglodyte. Two of the 13 colonies would not sign if slavery would be abolished. Educate yourself if your American you're an embarassment.

 

[SandisLL]

Did they sell a portion of their slaves to the West or was the demand so great it required the slavers to go out and capture more people simply to supply the new demand?

To put it another way, if people weren't willing to pay for sex, there might still be gold diggers out there but a brothel full of prostitutes wouldn't be a profitable business.

Slavery was common in Africa even before they had saw any European. Literally slaves were like tractors or horses etc....

 

[RonDante]

If white Americans didn’t buy slaves from Africa, the only difference would be all those slaves would have stayed in Africa and been slaves there instead of slaves in america

 

[SandisLL]

It wasn't like some Europeans had rushed with intent to get slaves. Mainly it was market where winners ( local tribes ) had sold their POVs and captured by them civies ( in modern terms )...
While ofc European stuff during crusades was...damn brutal...different world.

 

[Mack Yancy]

Nice side step. My point was incredibly relevant.

@OneOfOne the race baiter doesn't even know the difference between a Federal Agent and a criminal informant so don't expect too much from him in the critical thinking department.

 

[Mack Yancy]

WHy Trump? Blacks have been succeeding way before Trump. If you are asking if some Government programs like Black Business Loan availability at low interest rates, and free college tuition programs for Black youth, I would say some of that certainly helped. But how about give some credit to Black folks that didn't see themselves as victims. 2 Parent families raised their kids to work hard and make something of themselves. I would rather give the credit to them rather than Government programs.

Trump HIMSELF said that no president has done more for blacks except Lincoln. African American unemployment was at a record low under Trump.

If you're gonna call the man a liar, then come straight out and have the balls to do it, sherdogger.