Movies THE MARVELS (Dragonlord's Review; Worst MCU Second-Weekend Drop with 78%)

If you have seen THE MARVELS, how would you rate it?

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I Am Legion said:
I was just on a plane and with little choice I rewatched The Eternals thinking maybe I was too harsh on first viewing. This happened with Ant Man, 2nd time I liked it. With Eternals it sucked worse. Too many main characters all with origin stories...what a mess.
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They really ruined ant man that had a good first film the rest sucked.
 
MDoza said:
You act like there is zero context for people mentioning the obvious diversity motivations behind the movie. The studio has been pushing it for years. It’s impossible to ignore at this point. You also act like the simple observations that I made, which you did not notice until now, weren’t very conscious decisions made by the director.

All I can say is $300 million for an 88 minute movie suggests a lot was left on the cutting room floor, and the final product wasn’t good and didn’t do anything to advance the franchise.

I know that there are people who hate anything and everything that Disney/Marvel pumps out right now, but there also seems to be a group of people who have stuck their head in the sand and act like numbers aren’t consistently trending down film after film.
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Ah, that's where you're wrong! He's ignoring it right now - almost dogmatically so.

Keep in mind, this is a description of something that was batted around for the upcoming Blade movie:

"Blade‘s script underwent numerous revisions, cycling through five writers and two directors. A notable draft even relegated Oscar-winner Mahershala Ali from the lead role, focusing on a woman-centric storyline imbued with life lessons"

Marvel’s ‘Blade’ Reboot Slashes Budget Amid Creative Shifts (msn.com)

If that had happened, there would have been some asshat coming in and saying "it's a movie that largely focused on made up night creatures, and with the exception of a few people, most of the other cast were VAMPIRES" to make it sound like you're weird for saying "Why the hell is a Blade movie focusing on how bad white tippers are to Laquesha in her diner job?" This shit is nuts and has saturated movie making from the writing to the hiring to the PR, permeating virtually every level of film production. Half the strategy for ramming it in more and more is to make you think that it's either not happening at all, or that it's actually good that it is and you're just a wee bit racist for noticing (reading Smiling's posts and you'll see this dripping off them).

There is nothing wrong with diverse casts and making spaces where everyone who is competent is welcome to do the job. Hell, that's a good thing. Nobody complains about Predator having a very diverse cast or Red from Shawshank being cast as black guy, or John wick including many actors of colour - mainly because they were damned good picks and they did great by it. This is so, so far beyond this though, with quality being shat in favour of politics, and we are constantly gaslit to make us think it's either not happening, or we're in some way bad for wanting to say "Why not just pick the best person for the job rather than requiring that person have a certain skin colour or fuck a certain way?"

Companies like Disney need this smack on the nose. This whole industy does. We're at a point where one bad review of a movie like Black Panther is the object of dozens and dozens of articles (seriously, look it up) decrying that someone would DARE do that. This shit - the browbeating, the focus on messaging ahead of quality, the demand for ideological conformity in how we interpret films, the constant political posturing - needs to end.
 
SmilinDesperado said:
The last Guardians of the Galaxy didn't suck. The last Spiderman movie didn't suck. Despite Chadwick's passing, I thought the last Black Panther was solid. Thor, Dr Strange, and Antman were terrible. Loki was great. I thought Ms. Marvel's series was pretty fun overall for what it was. (a story about a quirky teenaged girl getting powers) There are aspects of She-Hulk, Hawkeye and Moon Knight that I liked and disliked.
None of this is just simply "This is all good" or, "It's all bad", definitely not in any objective sense.

It's just become very lazy and lucrative to dunk on Disney. You don't even have to watch a movie or TV show. You just shit on the trailer and repeat "MSheU" over and over, and a bunch of morons eat that shit up.
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I agree all these stupid Youtube channels have also become "lame and gay."

But She Hulk, Hawkeye, Moon Knight and the last Black Panther all suck IMO. And a lot of other people feel the same way. I thought Guardians was ok.

I'm not a white guy BTW. This isn't like some angry white guy who watches too many of these Youtube videos and getting all triggered. I just watch the Marvel/Star Wars content and decide if I like it. They simply haven't been good most of the time.

SmilinDesperado said:
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They aren't making a "Marvels" super team with this movie. It's the title of the movie because all of the characters have, or have had the name "Marvel" in their super hero name at some point in time. The big bad is Kree, not a black woman with a stick.
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The Kree, Dar Benn, was a male general and later emperor in the comics. Replaced with a purple haired black girl with a hammer. I wouldn't even care that much about the gender swap, but the character is super uninteresting and generic.
 
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We seem to have reached this level of defense for shitty movies:

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SmilinDesperado said:
So poorly? It made 850+ million worldwide.
https://www.businessinsider.com/mar...box-office-2021-11#1-avengers-endgame-2019-31
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Ummm, yeah. It was sarcasm.

I didn't say people weren't interested in this movie for ONE reason. I said PART of the reason why people lose interest in particular projects is because there is an army of whiners that shit on a movie before it even goes into production. They keep that bad press going for a 1+ year, will make videos on movies they have literally not seen, and that's what the story becomes.
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But you see that all the time. "Captain Marvel" probably got it the worst, but it didn't bomb. Shit, despite most of the MCU movies getting that "woke" label, how many actual bombs can you point to? Your logic doesn't add up, and you're doing the same thing the other side does. When a movie bombs, it must've been because the brave crusaders let the world know how woke it was. When it doesn't bomb, it's because of fake reviews and stupid people, or something. You're just selectively applying your logic to a movie you happen to like.

I have been very critical of the current MCU, so it's not even like I ignore the obvious problems that exist. But to say that online negativity doesn't play a part in a business that partially depends on word of mouth is straight up false.
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On the whole, you would have to show it does. There is really no data or trend, to suggest such a thing with the MCU. They all get called woke garbage, but few ever truly bomb. I can really only think of two. This and "The Eternals". Both were movies with a lower tier group of heroes, when compared to the heavy hitters of the Avengers troupe, that had horrible marketing. It's more likely that people just weren't interested. The people who consistently made these movies billions of dollars, didn't all of sudden not go to see this one, because some dorks on the internet called it woke garbage.
 
Echoing several others I did enjoy the movie. I thought it was fun and entertaining but nowhere near the top end of the MCU scale, probably somewhere in the middle to lower half. The real issue in my oppinion is that we're now what 10 movies and 10-12 TV series into the Multiverse Saga, and there's still no real clarity or overarching storyline coming into focus. The amazing thing about the Infinity Saga (Phase 1-3) was how each movie seemed to build on the next, and there was such a good use of the after credit and mid credit scenes to tie everything together. I guess the other missing piece is just the lack of any gravitas like what RDJ provided as Tony Stark. There is just no one of his stature currently in the MCU.
 
The outlook continues to look bleak for superhero pic The Marvels, which is falling off 78 percent to 80 percent in its second outing to rank as Marvel Studios’ worst second-weekend drop of all time, as well as the worst for any Hollywood superhero pic. Among Marvel Cinematic Universe titles, threequel Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania previously sported the worst drop of 69 percent.

The Marvels is expected to earn $9 million to $10 million for the weekend, putting it in a potentially close race with Thanksgiving, although most rival studios show The Marvels coming in third ahead of Thanksgiving.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...-games-prequel-box-office-opening-1235663158/

I'm reading this won't even make $90M domestic in it's entire run. Lmao.
 
Whatever the Hell Phase we're in , I have no idea what the overall plan is.
 
Most people seem to agree that Iman Vellani (Kamala Khan) is the highlight of the film, with many stating how charming and likable she comes across.

Hopefully she'll find better projects in the future because Marvel/Disney don't seem to be doing her any favors.
 
Hopefully they remake homeward bound soon but make it about the incredible hulk
 
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