Opinion Lowering of standards in every industry in the name of diversity

[ermac88]

i sure hope so.

its not a matter of "hope"
that's how accredited professions are structured.

 

[tastaylvr]

its not a matter of "hope"
that's how accredited professions are structured.

Are you surprised the village idiot doesn't understand how society works?

 

[winterbike]

i sure hope so.

But they don't. Med school admissions are affected by DEI policies too. Certain demographics get accepted with much lower grades than others. You want a competent doctor? Choose and Asian one, the system is stacked against them right now.

 

[tastaylvr]

But they don't. Med school admissions are affected by DEI policies too. Certain demographics get accepted with much lower grades than others. You want a competent doctor? Choose and Asian one, the system is stacked against them right now.

So getting admitted to med school equates to being a doctor?

What about passing medical school?

What about the fellowship?

What about residency?

Board certification?

Do those all somehow magically not exist??

That doesn't encompass everything else to become a specialist or a surgeon etc.

 

[Michaelangelo]

And people still can’t find jobs

 

[winterbike]

So getting admitted to med school equates to being a doctor?

What about passing medical school?

What about the fellowship?

What about residency?

Board certification?

Do those all somehow magically not exist??

That doesn't encompass everything else to become a specialist or a surgeon etc.

DEI now applies to every step. Every. Single. Step.

 

[mkess101]

So getting admitted to med school equates to being a doctor?

What about passing medical school?

What about the fellowship?

What about residency?

Board certification?

Do those all somehow magically not exist??

That doesn't encompass everything else to become a specialist or a surgeon etc.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here, but this is a thread about standards being lowered, right?

Are you actually asserting that potentially accepting lesser talented students into med school based on something arbitrary (in this case, race) wouldn't have downstream effects when it comes to the quality of doctors those med schools produce? Maybe that's not your stance and I'm not reading your response correctly, but if that's what you believe it's utterly absurd.

 

[SakurabasEar]

You've used your race as a cudgel before, it doesn't prove anything.

My ideology is pretty simple, it's be fair. The people in your source have no interest in being fair, nor do you.

Quoting MLK to fight rights for black people is particularly white supremacist of you.

Except nothing about it is fair, and there are other major issues with things like affirmative action that people like you will continue to ignore, probably for the rest of this century

Calling somebody a "white supremacist" for quoting mlk is ridiculous. You actually should be embarrassed about that

 

[tastaylvr]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here, but this is a thread about standards being lowered, right?

Are you actually asserting that potentially accepting lesser talented students into med school based on something arbitrary (in this case, race) wouldn't have downstream effects when it comes to the quality of doctors those med schools produce? Maybe that's not your stance and I'm not reading your response correctly, but if that's what you believe it's utterly absurd.

How is it absurd? University applications have always taken into consideration how you grew up and where you went to school. This is not a new phenomena. You still need to finish the course and after finishing the curriculum you will be at the same end point as everyone else. The admission is just the first step of your career. Nobody remembers how you got in after you finished. It's irrelevant.

In my country everyone gets an Enter Score. My course required a 98.5 to get in while I only got a 96.5. I got into the course because the school I went to was at the bottom end of the state. I ended up doing much better than people who went to better schools because there is nobody to coddle you at university. Do you think people talk about enter score in the industry now? Do people care? No. It's about how well you perform at work and the experience you have attained. Nobody even cares how well you did at school. It's a mute point in the real world.

I don't even know why most of you care about this since most of the admissions are taken up by legacy students and foreign applicants. Most of the applicants you are complaining about are not even taking the positions of the top tier students. They are taken by legacy students and foreign applications yet nobody cares. I wonder why?

 

[mkess101]

How is it absurd? University applications have always taken into consideration how you grew up and where you went to school. This is not a new phenomena. You still need to finish the course and after finishing the curriculum you will be at the same end point as everyone else. The admission is just the first step of your career. Nobody remembers how you got in after you finished. It's irrelevant.

In my country everyone gets an Enter Score. My course required a 98.5 to get in while I only got a 96.5. I got into the course because the school I went to was at the bottom end of the state. I ended up doing much better than people who went to better schools because there is nobody to coddle you at university. Do you think people talk about enter score in the industry now? Do people care? No. It's about how well you perform at work and the experience you have attained. Nobody even cares how well you did at school. It's a mute point in the real world.

I don't even know why most of you care about this since most of the admissions are taken up by legacy students and foreign applicants. Most of the applicants you are complaining about are not even taking the positions of the top tier students. They are taken by legacy students and foreign applications yet nobody cares. I wonder why?

It's absurd if you believe the talent base is lessened by standards that take into account things other than talent, capability, and the long term potential to be successful in the field. If you're argument is that taking race into account (which is different than "where you grew up" or "where you went to school") is actually beneficial in determining the best candidates to be good in the field, that's a different argument. And quite frankly kinda racist imo.

Nobody is saying the top tier students are getting squeezed out. The question is whether the overall talent pool is as good as it could/should be. And yes, legacy students present the same issues. If they're taking the place of a more qualified entrant only because their parents went there and donate $, that's gonna potentially affect the talent pool too.

No matter the field, if you're not choosing the most capable applicants...the quality long term will be negatively affected. Weird I'd need to say that.

 

[tastaylvr]

It's absurd if you believe the talent base is lessened by standards that take into account things other than talent, capability, and the long term potential to be successful in the field. If you're argument is that taking race into account (which is different than "where you grew up" or "where you went to school") is actually beneficial in determining the best candidates to be good in the field, that's a different argument. And quite frankly kinda racist imo.

Nobody is saying the top tier students are getting squeezed out. The question is whether the overall talent pool is as good as it could/should be. And yes, legacy students present the same issues. If they're taking the place of a more qualified entrant only because their parents went there and donate $, that's gonna potentially affect the talent pool too.

No matter the field, if you're not choosing the most capable applicants...the quality long term will be negatively affected. Weird I'd need to say that.

Are you suggesting that someone who gets in via these admissions that finishes the course with better or equal grades than someone who didn't is less capable??

Getting admitted is the entry point. It doesn't matter. It's how you finish. Most of these "race" admissions make up a very very tiny portion of the student body. They are a drop in the ocean compared to legacy students and foreign applicants. They don't make a significant enough impact on the talent pool.

 

[mkess101]

Are you suggesting that someone who gets in via these admissions that finishes the course with better or equal grades than someone who didn't is less capable??

Getting admitted is the entry point. It doesn't matter. It's how you finish. Most of these "race" admissions make up a very very tiny portion of the student body. They are a drop in the ocean compared to legacy students and foreign applicants. They don't make a significant enough impact on the talent pool.

Huh? How would you ever know if they had "better or equal" grades to the applicant that they replaced in the program LOL? That person then isn't in the program...

The point isn't the number affected. It's a philosophical discussion and it's one big group to me. Legacy, race, whatever...if they're taking the place of more capable applicants, the talent pool is affected. That's my only argument, and again it's weird I need to say it. People can even argue the positives of diversity (when it comes to the race angle) or financial benefit to the institution (legacy) outweigh the negatives. I'd disagree, but again, different discussion.

 

[Hdfi]

I watched UFC ultimate ultimate 2 recently. Sometimes it's called UFC 11.5

A lot of sloppy brawlers, power double legs, no one using the cage to stand up. Not sure if those fighters were all at heavyweight or a mix of LHW too.

But at least in mma, I'm glad to see our standards improving for the larger weight classes. We have dynamic strikers, well rounded guys like Tommy Aspenell, and big guys with takedowns.

It's a good thing we have more diversity in MMA with fighters hailing from South Africa, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Nigeria, France, China and everywhere in between these places.

And we are a forum for MMA so I thought we could reset the conversation without the politics and personal attacks.

yeah but the UFC doesn't have a racial quota reserving 30% of all belts for Arab fighters or whatever just because they are underrepresented among champions...

 

[tastaylvr]

Huh? How would you ever know if they had "better or equal" grades to the applicant that they replaced in the program LOL? That person then isn't in the program...

That's the point. Nobody does. You are judging a doctor who finished their schooling, completed residency and got board certified based on how they were admitted to medical school. It's lunacy.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

its not a matter of "hope"
that's how accredited professions are structured.

Of course it's a matter of hope. Schooling in general is also a matter of accreditation. And examples of accreditation standards being lowered for political reasons are legion.

 

[RonDante]

LOL!

What are you babbling about??



if you have a percentage of the population that were not guaranteed the rights of citizens until Federal amendments in the 1960s. How can you begin to think its a meritocracy ?

Because black people have been given a leg up by the government for decades at this point and the gap hasn’t closed at all

 

[ermac88]

Because black people have been given a leg up by the government for decades at this point and the gap hasn’t closed at all

This is not only incoherent its not a cogent repudiation that the US is not a meritocracy

 

[RonDante]

This is not only incoherent its not a cogent repudiation that the US is not a meritocracy

How is it incoherent? The government has been helping black people for decades

 

[SummerStriker]

Being a doctor isn't even hard. Fucking run a bunch of tests based on insurance company standards. Check physicians' desk reference for nothing. Give everyone a Z-pac or send them to a specialist. If you are a specialist, the problem is always in your field, no matter what. I could start doing the job tomorrow.

 

[ermac88]

Of course it's a matter of hope. Schooling in general is also a matter of accreditation. And examples of accreditation standards being lowered for political reasons are legion.

huh?
So the MCAT, USMLE, USMLE step3,
all residencies, fellowships and Board
accredited board certifications have been
"politicized" at every level?
by who and why?
Evidence is great.



Im not trying to be funny.
Have you ever seen or have a family doctor?