Law US Supreme Court to decide on the Unelected Power of Federal Alphabet Agencies

His donors all want to kill everyone and the planet.

Not very Democratic.
I think that's an uncharitable way to describe that platform.

Corporate donors will donate to viable politicians whose platform aligns with their interests and often that means looking beyond just one party. I want to say its a kind of "hedging of bets" but to me that implies that corporate donors are puppet-masters when the reality is far more complicated regardless of what cynics would prefer to believe.
 
I think that's an uncharitable way to describe that platform.

Corporate donors will donate to viable politicians whose platform aligns with their interests and often that means looking beyond just one party. I want to say its a kind of "hedging of bets" but to me that implies that corporate donors are puppet-masters when the reality is far more complicated regardless of what cynics would prefer to believe.

That's fair. I don't understand how any of this works but that collection of interests seems like a League of Evil to me. I can't see anyone accepting money from tobacco as anything but a demon, I don't care how many constituents work in it.
 
OP article is literally saying that the case would destroy the administrative State.



Because you claim that as long as they don't exceed their power, they will be fine, when the case would outright strip regulatory agencies from the ability to enforce regulation entirely.



So you don't support its overturn?
Maybe the current administrative state needs destroyed to get everyone back into abiding by the checks and balances in place and reminding everyone involved of what they're actually supposed to be doing and what they shouldn't be trying to do.

Where in the case documents does it say anything other than removing the ability to blur the lines in that administrative state you mentioned? The FDA isn't suddenly no longer going to be able to enforce the current version of the food safety code if Chevron Doctrine is removed. What they'd lose is the ability to use the Chevron Doctrine to change the interpretation of the enforcement of the code along political lines or based on the "reasonable" whims of the current FDA Commissioner.

Again, my opinion on the Chevron Doctrine isn't hinging on how a conservative judge views it. I support removing the gamesmanship that seems to come along with the Chevron Doctrine. As I said, I am currently in support of agencies abiding by their directives and doing what they're authorized to do. Anything more than that should cease.

The issues arise when something is interpreted one way today but then is completely twisted/changed in 5 years without any new information provided to support the change in interpretation other than a change at the leadership level.

So I don't mind that this is being challenged and hope that agencies are ultimately given much clearer guidance and that this causes law makers to realize that the laws they write should be so much more straight forward and NOT left open to interpretation as much as possible.
 
That’s not absolute proof, that’s a claim. That claim has no corroborating evidence at all. I understand you’d really like it to be true for your own partisan reasons, but it’s an accusation that is completely unsupported by any other evidence.

Weiss's claim goes against multiple people in that meeting that took notes. You're the partisan hack.
 
No, it's like claiming "they're investigating people who wear pants!". And then intentionally leaving out that those people were also threatening to kill someone.

That's what you're doing.

There's no indication they were just surveiling random school board meetings. They were reacting to specific threats to school board members.
Actually, you're twisting yourself into knots avoiding having to concede what happened. Here is the letter - https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download

To this end, I amdirecting the Federal Bureau of Investigation, working with each United States Attorney, to convene meetings with federal, state, local, Tribal, and territorial leaders in each federal judicial district within 30 days of the issuance of this memorandum.

He wanted action in every federal district. Not just action in where ever these alleged threats came from.
 
Actually, you're twisting yourself into knots avoiding having to concede what happened. Here is the letter - https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download

To this end, I amdirecting the Federal Bureau of Investigation, working with each United States Attorney, to convene meetings with federal, state, local, Tribal, and territorial leaders in each federal judicial district within 30 days of the issuance of this memorandum.

He wanted action in every federal district. Not just action in where ever these alleged threats came from.

Merrick Garland was targeting ALL 14,000+ Public School Districts. This is Authoritarian bullshit by an un-elected bureaucrat.

The Left Cult supports Big Government attacking citizens.
 
Please pick me up a six pack and a bucket of wings.
It was a latte and miso/ramen sort of day.
I haven't seen that at all. How did he protect the Bidens? What enemies did he go after and did they commit crimes?

The parents and first amendment rights thing pisses me off because it's absolutely not true. Teachers and school administrators were getting death threats and the DOJ reached out because that's what they're supposed to do, because that's terrorism. I've heard recordings of these death threats that were circulated when everything was crazy in Loudoun. With all due respect, conservatives interfering with their investigation is insane unless you support those actions. Do you?

Garland got a lot of criticism from the left after his appointment because he seemed too cautious in avoiding partisan bias and refused to pull the trigger.

In my opinion, if both sides complain about someone in that position, he's probably doing it right.
I've already gone over the same questions in this same thread. There have been whistle blowers coming out exposing how the investigations into the Biden's are being hampered.

For the PTA meetings, death threats (even if they are credible) don't warrant a national federal action. We can't call ourselves a free society if all someone needs to do is make some anonymous phones calls to get federal agents investigating these type of movements. People shouldn't feel intimidated for using their 1st amendment rights.
 
It was a latte and miso/ramen sort of day.

I've already gone over the same questions in this same thread. There have been whistle blowers coming out exposing how the investigations into the Biden's are being hampered.

For the PTA meetings, death threats (even if they are credible) don't warrant a national federal action. We can't call ourselves a free society if all someone needs to do is make some anonymous phones calls to get federal agents investigating these type of movements. People shouldn't feel intimidated for using their 1st amendment rights.

I can't actually drink beer or eat wings or ramen. I'm on a pretty strict diet, this was my one meal today. That green mush is cauliflower broccoli puree. It's delicious.

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I don't believe whistleblowers unless they come forward and prove a case. I didn't against Trump, I don't against Biden.

I think people who make death threats should be pursued by every force available, period. Anyone, any administration, any time. You should feel the same way instead of running defense for them and demonizing law enforcement.

Remember this? This is a Republican telling other Republicans to stop with the death threats and begging President Trump to do or say something.




This is from the issue we're talking about. A comment from the video:

"This is what happens when you attempt to circumvent the role of parents. I have no sympathy for this accomplice, the criminal school board, or any other child groomer."


 
So you don't think they were trying to stop the counting of electoral votes? weird date to pick otherwise.
Are you referring to horns guy, the guy that grabbed the podium, or the guy that put his feet up on Pelosi's desk?
 
Are you referring to horns guy, the guy that grabbed the podium, or the guy that put his feet up on Pelosi's desk?

No, im referring to what the "thing" actually was.


Civil disobedience usually involves mass protests and strikes, not storming a building, they went to Congress for a reason, apparently it was not to stop the EC vote, because that would be a coup/insurrection/rebellion which only "sheeple" like me and most people believe that was the goal.


Now the non-sheeple know the real reason, im sure you are more than willing to share it with us.
 
No, im referring to what the "thing" actually was.


Civil disobedience usually involves mass protests and strikes, not storming a building, they went to Congress for a reason, apparently it was not to stop the EC vote, because that would be a coup/insurrection/rebellion which only "sheeple" like me and most people believe that was the goal.


Now the non-sheeple know the real reason, im sure you are more than willing to share it with us.
A bunch of unarmed disorganized goofs running around the capital had such a small chance of actually of accomplishing anything that it shouldn't be taken seriously as an insurrection.

Its funny I happen to recall a bunch fat feminists tried to fill the hallways to prevent Kavanaugh from being sworn in. I don't recall useful idiots babbling on about that being an insurrection.
 
parents not wanting their children exposed to school materials that depict anal sex, incest, and rape makes them terrorists? that's a new one.
 
SUMMARY: The Alphabet Bureaucratic Agencies weld overbearing power, acting as unelected lawmakers, but from the Executive Branch. By-Passing the legislative branch and acting as the Judicial Branch. In 1984, courts decided that Judges should defer judgement to the Federal Gov't Agencies in conflicts, interpretation or dispute. The end result was almost unchallenged power from Federal agencies to dictate regulations. Basically, investigating themselves.

Herring Fisherman have fought their case all the way to the Supreme Court against their regulatory body, NOAA. The verdict from this case may neuter several Federal Gov't Agencies, including the EPA, FDA, OSHA, NOAA, etc...



The case…​

Central to the case lies a disputed regulation mandating industry-funded at sea monitoring programs for the Atlantic herring fishery. NOAA's at sea monitor program has been a source of controversy since its inception in 2013. Initially proposed with government funding, the program took a dramatic turn in 2017 under the Trump administration, placing the financial burden of the monitors on the fishing industry.

This translates to a potential 20% reduction in the fishermen's earnings, with daily monitor fees climbing as high as $700 – a sum that would often crown the monitor the highest-paid individual aboard the vessel. While acknowledging the government's legal right to require on-board observers, the fishermen vehemently contest the authority of NOAA to shift the financial burden onto their shoulders. Their argument hinges on the contention that Congress, not the executive branch, holds the reins of cost allocation, and that NOAA's interpretation of the ambiguous statute oversteps its statutory bounds.

Lower courts, however, have invoked the Chevron doctrine to uphold the NOAA regulation. The Chevron doctrine is a significant principle in American administrative law, originating from the 1984 Supreme Court case, Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc. This doctrine has had profound implications on the relationship between the judiciary and administrative agencies in the United States.

The Chevron doctrine…​

The Chevron doctrine instructs courts to defer to an agency's interpretation of an ambiguous statute if it is deemed "reasonable" and within the confines of the law. It originated from the 1984 Supreme Court case, Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc.

In a landmark decision led by Justice John Paul Stevens, the Supreme Court set forth a two-step framework for reviewing administrative agency interpretations of statutes:

  1. The Court must first determine whether Congress has directly spoken to the precise question at issue. If the intent of Congress is clear, that is the end of the matter.
  2. If the statute is silent or ambiguous concerning the specific issue, the question for the court is whether the agency's answer is based on a permissible construction of the statute.
In the Chevron case, the Court found that the Clean Air Act did not directly address the specific issue of defining a "stationary source" and that the EPA's interpretation was a reasonable policy choice. Therefore, the EPA's interpretation was upheld and the Chevron doctrine was born.

The Chevron doctrine has been a central tenant in several landmark Supreme Court cases, impacting healthcare access, tobacco regulation, administrative rulings, and shaping the very landscape of the government’s approach to ‘solving the climate crisis’.

For example, in FDA v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp., where the Supreme Court dealt with the issue of the government’s authority to regulate tobacco as a drug. Applying the Chevron doctrine, the Court upheld the FDA's regulatory power, claiming the agency had expertise in evaluating the health risks of tobacco. This decision had far-reaching consequences for tobacco regulations.

Back to the case…​


In their case before the Supreme Court, the fishermen, represented by former U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement and lawyers from the Cause of Action Institute, argue that NOAA has abused its authority and that the Chevron doctrine forecloses an essential judicial check on executive overreach. They assert that Chevron has distorted the operation of the political branches, allowing the executive branch to handle controversial issues without the need for legislative action.

During the oral arguments, it was observed that a majority of the Supreme Court justices seemed dissatisfied with the current state of the law regarding agency deference.



If the Supreme Court dismantles this case law, I couldn't be happier. In recent years, we've all seen Federal Agencies acting like mini-dictators. The prime example was Biden's Vaccine Mandate, in which he tried to use OSHA was the tool to shove that garbage down our throats. Fortunately, it was overturned in the Supreme Court... but that was because lower courts refused to review it and cited Chevron Deference and passed the buck back to OSHA.

I'm sure I'm getting some of the details wrong about the Chevron Deference Defense, but the big picture view is that allows these agencies to run amok with little oversight.


It would be overly burdensome on congress or the agencies to have to consult with congress to determine how to manage their domain. Regulatory organizations have to be independent to regulate their industries as they see fit. OSHA as an organization could not function if needed to ask mommy and daddy for every issue. I hope this gets struck down because if it isn't, it basically amounts to the neutering of federal overseeing organizations;.
 
A bunch of unarmed disorganized goofs running around the capital had such a small chance of actually of accomplishing anything that it shouldn't be taken seriously as an insurrection.
At least you now accept that they were indeed trying to perform a coup, but apparently they should get a pass just because they were poor at it.
 
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"Terrorists"? ROFL! You're trolling... right?

No, I'm not.

Someone calling a mother and telling her he'll kill her kids, describing what they look like and where they go to school, this isn't a terrorist to you?

Those are the first amendment protestors you're running interference for.

You guys are barely human these days.
 
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