Crime Trillions Spent on ‘Climate Change’ Based on Faulty Temperature Data, Climate Experts Say

"I have no idea if the data is correct or the report on it is wrong, but I'm going to dismiss it anyway."

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Also, lmao at peer review. What peers, exactly? You are aware that journals are often used as a way to keep fringe topics and dissenting opinions out, aren't you?

I explained why I have no idea. People who "do their own research" never get it right.

And I don't know what to say about dismissing peer review, it's how everything works.
 
I explained why I have no idea. People who "do their own research" never get it right.

And I don't know what to say about dismissing peer review, it's how everything works.

Dude, history is full of guys who did their own research and changed existing paradigms.

 
I'll read the article.

"Climate scientist" doesn't necessarily sway me, no. I've been around long enough to know that scientists can be bought, and are. But, yes, it does mean something to be a certified expert in a given field.

Certainty any fossil fuel funded studies should be approached warily.

Do you wholeheartedly trust the NOAA data?

I'm not suggesting that someone being a climate scientist means you should believe everything they say about the subject. But when a group of people who AREN'T climate scientists are suggesting that the entire field of climate science is based not just bad data sets, but that all climate scientists don't know about this bad data, you should probably pause and be highly skeptical of anything they have to say. You seem to wholeheartedly trust what these guys are saying, when their financial motive is clear - why are you only skeptical of the established scientists? And don't tell me you're just as skeptical of these guys as you are of real climate scientists, because your first post on the topic pretty clearly implies that you believe what these guys are saying.


As for whether or not I trust the data, that question doesn't really make sense. Trust it in what way? The article points out that some of the NOAA temperature stations aren't in ideal locations - this isn't a grand conspiracy, its well known that every sensor isn't in a perfect spot to measure temperature in a way that the physical surrounding doesn't influence it. The study your link referred to selected a small subset of stations to review, and then extrapolated what they found to all other substations, which is how they got that 96% number - 96% of the stations they looked at had issues, so according to them that means 96% of all stations have issues. But, how did they select those stations? Because they weren't conducting a real study, we don't know - in a scientific paper, the selection methodology would be known and thoroughly discussed. What is most likely is that they specifically selected those stations because they are the stations that are known to have issues. This cherry picking the data, and its a hallmark of junk science that would be immediately caught by the peer review process, which is why they didn't go through that process.

Further, the question of whether or not the bias is relevant and thus if the data can be trusted is highly dependent on what you're doing with it. Big buildings and the concrete of a city hold more heat than vegetation, so a temperature sensor placed downtown in a city will likely read higher than one placed 30 miles outside the city in a forest or grassy field. But if all you're looking at is the year to year change, the fact that the sensor is in the city doesn't really matter - the bias of being in the city is there every year. You're not comparing the temperature reading of the city sensor to one out in a field, you're comparing it to itself yesterday, last month, last year and so on. Not only that, but when actual scientists do reviews of these 'bad' sensors, what they have frequently found is that quite often they read colder, rather than warmer because the most common issue is being placed in the shade. When you're using the temperature data to get a better big picture understanding of the global average temperature or something else that isn't a year to year comparison, scientists have methods to account for these sensors in not perfect locations.

So, the question, do I trust the data doesn't really make sense. A better question would be, do I believe that thousands of scientists all over the world missed something so incredibly obvious? That none of these thousands of Phds have any idea how to account for biases in data recording? That the whole field is a fraud because some temperature sensors were placed too close to buildings, and no one noticed or thought about it before now? That is certainly one possibility. The other possibility is that the guy who didn't even graduate college doesn't really know what he's talking about, and is arriving at a conclusion he's being paid to make.

Hm. Real brain buster trying to figure out which possibility is the more likely one.
 
I saw "The Epoch Times" and assumed it was bunk.

So I dug into it a little and found papers on how the NOAA studies the urban heat island effect. So, no, the climate change data is not based on faulty temp data involving urban heat islands. The NOAA studies both and so collects temp data in multiple types of locations.

But this particular untruth will still end up coming out of the mouths of the uninformed for the next decade.
 
I explained why I have no idea. People who "do their own research" never get it right.
Besides the fact that you’re wrong, what’s the alternative to people educating themselves?

Are you actually advocating for an ignorant populace?
 
You're just dropping made up numbers of scientists agreeing on something. There aren't 999 out of 1000 scientists backing this data as verifiably unflawed.

Throughout human history, there were always going to be people who ran headfirst into crocodile infested waters and tried to make pets of lions.

People like this usually got weeded out of the population through natural selection. But since we live in safe, modern times, we get you.
 
Throughout human history, there were always going to be people who ran headfirst into crocodile infested waters and tried to make pets of lions.

People like this usually got weeded out of the population through natural selection. But since we live in safe, modern times, we get you.

Cool story bro.
 
Environmental degradation would have been an easier sell than climate change.
 

Meteorologist finds 96 percent of NOAA temperature stations located in ‘urban heat islands,’ including next to exhaust fans and on ‘blistering-hot rooftops.’​




Fork over your hard earned money and STFU. We're fighting the climate!

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I literally stopped reading after the first sentence. No fucking way am I giving that rag my email address. Lol haha lmao lmafo!
 
How does anyone post this drivel and not realise they are dumb as shit? Really curious.

@BearGrounds

A blogger from the heartland institute? You read that and thought... yeah seems legit.
 
I didn't project anything. You were the one saying that all empirical data on the matter should be disregarded. Glad to see you're on the same page with the multinational oil companies.
Sorry if you translated my post into something that it wasn't.

The empirical data matters a lot.

I see the multinational oil companies going out of business when the Nicolas Tesla tech is finally revealed. Free unlimited wireless on demand electricity: uses magnets to extract electrons from the atmosphere.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Edit: I can't wait to see what you say next.
 
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So for all of the people attacking the source, was no money wasted on bad science, and are the readings taken by the NOAA legit and trustworthy?
doesn't it bother you that a major contributor to this is an institution that fought against people finding out that cigarettes are bad for people though man?

i mean... for me thats it... i know who these guys are and they have a record of lying to the public and publishing false data.
 
"I have no idea if the data is correct or the report on it is wrong, but I'm going to dismiss it anyway."

<KhabibBS>

Also, lmao at peer review. What peers, exactly? You are aware that journals are often used as a way to keep fringe topics and dissenting opinions out, aren't you?
hey man. you KNOW i agree with you that peer review and social shaming are major factors in people not investigating fringe topics. it can be career suicide to do so even. we just witnessed a microcosm of that in the other thread together. it happens for sure.

but in this area of climate science i don't see the connection. i don't believe that a serious scientist who came up with an alternative viewpoint would fail to get a hearing... i mean.. maybe that's the case but i doubt it but even if that is possible there is NO WAY that is what is happening here because we already know we are dealing with professional liars in this case. they fought against people knowing that cigarettes kill people ffs.

also man i REALLY hope consensus on climate change is wrong because if its not we are headed for real problems.
 
When the temps start dropping, the Left will be crying that we need cars with larger internal combustion engine vehicles.
 
hey man. you KNOW i agree with you that peer review and social shaming are major factors in people not investigating fringe topics. it can be career suicide to do so even. we just witnessed a microcosm of that in the other thread together. it happens for sure.

but in this area of climate science i don't see the connection. i don't believe that a serious scientist who came up with an alternative viewpoint would fail to get a hearing... i mean.. maybe that's the case but i doubt it but even if that is possible there is NO WAY that is what is happening here because we already know we are dealing with professional liars in this case. they fought against people knowing that cigarettes kill people ffs.

also man i REALLY hope consensus on climate change is wrong because if its not we are headed for real problems.
Climate scientists exist to affirm global warming. The earth heating up is hardly an issue anyhow, the earth freezing would be disastrous.

There is an unrealistic sentiment towards global warming, the ratio of people dying because of the cold far exceeds people dying to heat related issues, it’s not even close. Yet news of hot weather scare mongering is at least 10:1.
 
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