Movies DUNE: PART TWO (Passes $600 Million Worldwide; Dragonlord's Review)

[Batjester]

Just got home from the movie. Was a bit slow at the start but the last hour was phenomenal.

Great movie over all. 8.5/10

Maybe I'm getting old (I am), but if a movie is nearly 3 hours long, it better keep me engaged the whole time.

 

[Sano]

My take is that this was a 10/10. They fixed a lot of things that the first one struggle a little with. Here it starts to blossom and show that it is Game of Thrones in space. Everything was good, top to bottom and it found its legs. The first one was an 8.5/10. This one is a 10/10. My only complaint, my real complaint, is that this wasn't turned into a series with Villenvue at the helm. There is a lot of good material from the books that got left out to keep the pace.

They were supposed to make an HBO series about the Bene Gesserit, but it fell through.

 

[Cole train]

Daughter struggled to stay awake.

Spoiler

Sound / score was great . Visually it looks good .

Walken did not fit as Emperor at all as already stated. Also , give him a haircut. Bloke runs the universe but cant keep his barnet in check. And he looks like a 70 year but he's supposed to look mid 30s with red hair in the book...

Stilgar wasn't that militant in the book initially.

Time frame got totally screwed over , the time frame of 4 or 5 years in Dune got swapped to 6 months or similar.

Alia never appears , Hawat never appears .

The importance of The Sardaukar and how good they were as fighters . Cut out one of the scenes I love from the book where the Sardaukar are smuggling with Gurney and how they get humiliated by the Fremen.

Chani is totally changed as a character.

Paul's abilities and fighting skills aren't really emphasized , the fact that he trains the Fremen in The Weirding Way.


No mention of The Guild .



Nothing about the Crysknife.

Nothing about the fact that Chani and Paul have a son , Leto who dies.


So much missing. And yea, I know the time limitations of the book Vs film but still , characters underdeveloped and at the end I was like ' meh' .

Someone online said if you have not read the book then this will be a great film lol

If you have read book then viewing experience will be impacted a bit

 

[Tone C]

Someone online said if you have not read the book then this will be a great film lol

If you have read book then viewing experience will be impacted a bit

Yea, that's a fair point, agreed .

 

[Cherry Brigand]

Just got back. Like the first viewing of the first movie, I'm not sure what to make of it. When I first saw part 1 I was pretty sure I liked it but I didn't know why. For this one, I'm pretty sure I didn't like it but I don't know why.

Whereas in the first one, there's a fragile hope throughout, in this one there's a broiling cynicism from start to finish. Maybe that's the point? The inevitability of Paul's situation and that despite his intentions he must do what must be done?

In the first one, every scene was packed with something to deepen the experience. While I won't say part 2 has a lot of throwaway scenes, I will say there seems to be too much time spent on the less important pieces.

I also feel like they could have spent more time building the lore and less on Paul's growth into a warrior.

My rating is TBD as I'll definitely have to see it again. That said, some of my favorite movies I didn't love the first time.

Would definitely recommend seeing it though.

And Walken was terrible casting. Almost as bad as Bautista.

 

[Cherry Brigand]

Spoiler questions. Answers appreciated, but without spoiling what will surely be in part 3:

Spoiler: Spoiler #1

Did the water of life somehow pervert Paul's intentions? He was deadset against going and being the hero. Then he had to go. Then after that he was like whatever let's kill em all!

Spoiler: Spoiler #2

The sinister nature that Jessica takes on also seems to happen after the water of life. No?

Spoiler: Spoiler #3

I swear at one point when Jessica is talking to her daughter she says something like 'Paul has to do this so the messiah is born.' That seemed to intimate that the daughter was the true messiah and that paul was the 'john the baptist' or was it more of the same like in the first one where he 'had to be killed to be born' type stuff.

 

[Prefect]

Someone online said if you have not read the book then this will be a great film lol

If you have read book then viewing experience will be impacted a bit

It is a great film. The movie by David Lynch and the Sci-Fi series made the mistake of not realizing that film is a different medium and you can't just transfer the book to film, especially a book like Dune which has so much internal dialogue. People who read the books are wanting a visual retelling of the book but that didn't really work that well twice already. These last two movies feel alive and like living exciting worlds. That said, I did appreciate how weird Lynch's version was even if it was flawed.

 

[europe1]

Thought it was pretty fantastic. Visually stunning and full of awesome fantastical moments. Better than part 1. Better than I could have resonably expected it to be.

8.5-9/10

People complaining about stuff left out of the novels just have to reckon with the fact that:
1. In a series as ginormous and complex as Dune things have to be cut.
2. When translating between mediums -- from book to film -- its often necessary to alter details for the sake of storytelling. What words on page don't necessarily work on frame.

 

[europe1]

Spoiler questions. Answers appreciated, but without spoiling what will surely be in part 3:

Spoiler: Spoiler #1

Did the water of life somehow pervert Paul's intentions? He was deadset against going and being the hero. Then he had to go. Then after that he was like whatever let's kill em all!

Spoiler: Spoilers

I think it was a mix of:
1: No going back scenario. He's already gone south. His visions already tell what's comming after this. Plus after drinking the water his ability see the future has only strenghtened leaving little path for doubt or alteration.
2: Power rush.

 

[eddymotto]

They were supposed to make an HBO series about the Bene Gesserit, but it fell through.

I am pretty sure that it is still on and will be released in 2024.

It did have some production issues.

It is HBO and so I will check it out but I think the Bene Gesserit order is more interesting when it is mysterious.

 

[eddymotto]

Thought it was pretty fantastic. Visually stunning and full of awesome fantastical moments. Better than part 1. Better than I could have resonably expected it to be.

8.5-9/10

People complaining about stuff left out of the novels just have to reckon with the fact that:
1. In a series as ginormous and complex as Dune things have to be cut.
2. When translating between mediums -- from book to film -- its often necessary to alter details for the sake of storytelling. What words on page don't necessarily work on frame.

I love the novel and I understand Villeneuve's changes. I may not have personally liked every change but overall they make it a better film.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[Cole train]

Will be interesting if they adapt sequel dune messiah

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Will be interesting if they adapt sequel dune messiah

The 1st one had a budget of $165 million... which is actually quite surprising when you keep in mind its 2.5 hours with HUGE CGI shots... and made $434 million.

I'm guessing keeping in mind the studio only gets half of that, and pays for all the marketing it barely broke even... but maybe made profit with the BluRay/4K sales.

This sequel has a budget of $190 million (which implies the 1st may have made more money than I estimate), and if it is a clear boxoffice success there absolutely will be a 3rd movie.

Or, based off the 1st movie's criticisms maybe audiences won't want to sit through another 2.5 hours of what they think will be sloggy pacing with 'what is going on' storytelling.

Or, the word-of-mouth of this movie is amazingly good, so perhaps audiences will be hyped up to see the sequel.

Christopher Nolan is putting a big piece of his credibility of the line with his vocal praise & comparison to The Empire Strikes Back.
Honestly it reminds me of James Cameron's endorsement of the last two Terminator films... which were absolute shit. It reeked of 'Wash Your Back So You Don't Stab Mine' studio politics.

Though @Dragonlordxxxxx's review has far more credibility to me than practically any single reviewer.

 

[PaleMoonlight]

I’ll give it a 9/10.

Never read the books so there were some parts that didn’t make sense, especially the young bad guy taking command over Batista. And he got praised for attacking the temple when Batista could’ve done the same. It wasn’t a complex strategy. Batistas was kind of pointless after showing him as a badass in the 1st movie.

The worm riding scenes were awesome. You can feel the struggle.

The way the ships moved was impressive. It looked so real, some of the best sfx I’ve seen.

I like the ending. I thought they were going to stop after this movie but I guess they’ll cover all of the books. Felt bad for Zendaya but I’m sure he made the move to protect her.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

Spoiler

Why didn't the Sandpeople just try to use the Sandworms to screw with any of their oppressors if they knew how to ride them?

Why didn't Paul know his mom was the daughter of the fat Harkonnen? That was the big reveal I heard the movie audience gasped about? F U!

edit - apparently it was Paul choosing the Empress over Zendaya that was the oh shit moment.

And doesn't that make Paul and Feyd-vis uncle and nephew and not cousins?

I wouldn't have minded Chrisopher Walken if the thespian from Deer Hunter showed up, or I'd settle with him not speaking exactly like how he is parodied by a bajillion people.

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

Just like Dune 1, I needed more than amazing visuals and sound design to sway me. This was just ok and kinda dull.

 

[legatoblues]

Highly enjoyed, and was intrigued by the things they chose to include, change or discard, but overall i found the first film to be slightly more compelling

I thought they were going to stop after this movie but I guess they’ll cover all of the books.

They'll do the 2nd book (Dune Messiah) but leave it at that. The stuff that follows goes batshit insane at times

 

[Wetarmpits]

Am I the only one who thought part 1 was boring, visually bland and poorly paced?

It didn't do much for me aswell. But most new movies aren't impressing me in most ways anymore anyways.