Elections It has begun: Russia is already interfering with the U.S. elections

[nostradumbass]

I mean it was proven in court that North Carolina's ID law was specifically crafted in order to disenfranchise voters, but don't let facts get on the way... instead let us ask why would the State bar State issued ID from being used?

Whoa, in court? Was it one of those courts that allow student IDs to get through security?

Do you have a picture of one these "state employee IDs", and the numbers on people who have those but no real ID? I tried looking it up and can't find any pictures of anything called a state employee ID. Is it just an office badge printed by HR, or was it an actual ID with holograms, scannable code and all of the identifying information of a regular ID? Curious to know how the state hired them without an ID.

 

[Rod1]

Whoa, in court?

Yes.

 

[The_Renaissance]

This is interesting, just a few months after it was proven the Russian collusion was a BS and Russian election interference came down to the Facebook Ads, the narrative is back

Russia’s 2024 election interference has already begun

Moscow is spreading disinformation about Joe Biden and other Democrats to lessen U.S. military aid to Ukraine and U.S. support for NATO, former U.S. officials and cyber experts say.

www.nbcnews.com

Do you believe Russia is truly capable of interfering?

They are barely holding their own in a war against the fucking Ukraine and are paying their soldiers with root vegetables.

 

[Jack V Savage]

They are barely holding their own in a war against the fucking Ukraine and are paying their soldiers with root vegetables.

And yet they've largely taken control of the GOP just by feeding them ridiculous fantasies about Biden.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

I 100% believe Russia attempts to impact our elections.
I know that because the United States does the exact same thing to other countries.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I 100% believe Russia attempts to impact our elections.
I know that because the United States does the exact same thing to other countries.

I don't get this line at all. The U.S. dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan. Does that mean you're fine if we get nuked?

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

I don't get this line at all. The U.S. dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan. Does that mean you're fine if we get nuked?

I don’t agree with your comparison, so it’s hard to answer that question.

I feel like the original statement was pretty clear. You may not agree with it but I don’t think we need to create imaginary scenarios.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don’t agree with your comparison, so it’s hard to answer that question.

I feel like the original statement was pretty clear. You may not agree with it but I don’t think we need to create imaginary scenarios.

What's to disagree with? I'm just saying "the U.S. did something to some other country before" doesn't mean it's OK if it's done to us.

 

[jeff7b9]

There will not be another fair election in the US until after the Civil War.

TPTB know they can cheat out in the open and get away with it.

Russia is not needed for cheating, but a convenient scapegoat/distraction.

 

[jeff7b9]

Great, so neither side of the Washington uniparty will agree that our elections are secure.

Hillary Clinton conceded to Trump in 2016 and then goes on mainstream media and tells everyone he's illegitmate. Russia, Russia, Russia

Trump didn't concede to Biden and went apeshit paranoid over election fraud. Rigged, Rigged, Rigged

Neither administration has made securing our elections a priority. Doesn't that make you question your loyalty to party?

We are told we can't have a 3rd or 4th or 5th political party, which would, in theory, work organically towards a solution by going into Washington and find out which of these disgusting elitist political parties has been lying to us over the past 50 years or so.

Now NBC, bastions of truth and integrity, are telling me Russia, Russia again. NOTHING HAS CHANGED in the year 2024.

We are watching the Washington uniparty stand by, serving their donor/owners while we as citizens of the UNITED STATES are divided further by demoralization. Pointing fingers at each other, back and forth, while the integrity of our "democracy" or our "constitutional republic" or whatever tf we are now is eroding

It is easier for the wealthy elite to control both sides of a "two party system" and pacify the public under the illusion of choice.

That way with both sides pointing fingers at eachother, no one is keenly focused on CORRUPTION, which is the true root of all the problems.

 

[The XL]

The only countries that interfere with our elections and our politics are Israel and to a somewhat lesser extent, China

 

[Jack V Savage]

The only countries that interfere with our elections and our politics are Israel and to a somewhat lesser extent, China

China, Russia, and Iran are all aligned, and the GOP just fell for or deliberately pushed a Russian intelligence operation against Biden. They've successfully gotten the party against aid to Ukraine too.

 

[giusti825]

What's to disagree with? I'm just saying "the U.S. did something to some other country before" doesn't mean it's OK if it's done to us.

Either something is right or wrong no matter who is doing it. Have some principles, ffs.

If Russia or China announced they were signing a mutual defense pact with Mexico that allowed them to place bases there, the US would invade Mexico the next day, as they should because the pact and bases would be an unacceptable security risk.

Russia tried to prevent all of this. First with the Minsk accords, then with the treaty offer, then with the peace deal from March 2022.

They did what was right for their national security interests while trying to avoid a war.

Not even the CIA believes that Ukraine stands a chance of taking back much, if any territory at all.

We are sacrificing the lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians for the sake of enriching arms dealers in and around DC.

What we are doing is morally bankrupt.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Either something is right or wrong no matter who is doing it. Have some principles, ffs.

It's wrong always. What do you think?

If Russia or China announced they were signing a mutual defense pact with Mexico that allowed them to place bases there, the US would invade Mexico the next day, as they should because the pact and bases would be an unacceptable security risk.

And you think it's sane to believe that Russia invaded Ukraine because they were scared of being invaded by the U.S. first? That's not even their own claim, sicko.

Russia tried to prevent all of this. First with the Minsk accords, then with the treaty offer, then with the peace deal from March 2022.

They did what was right for their national security interests while trying to avoid a war.

Not even the CIA believes that Ukraine stands a chance of taking back much, if any territory at all.

We are sacrificing the lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians for the sake of enriching arms dealers in and around DC.

What we are doing is morally bankrupt.

It's morally bankrupt of us to help Ukraine fight back against an invasion? Do you get hard when you read about the atrocities committed against the Ukranian people?

 

[Spam On Rye]

The only country unduly interfering in American elections is Israel.

AIPAC now has two superPACs and Israel is the only country on earth where representatives of a foreign government don't have to register as foreign agents.

AIPACs predecessor, the American Zionist Counsel (AZC), was ordered by the justice department to register under the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA). They subsequently disbanded and then formed AIPAC, which has yet to be ordered to register despite clearly using campaign contributions and lobbying for the interests of a foreign government.

The whole reason FARA exists is to prevent the foreign influence that AIPAC and Israel currently enjoy over US policy and elections from ever being possible.

I don't want to hear shit about Russian influence (as all Russian agents are registered) until that shit is fixed.

Yeah, they have a knack for getting into worldy matters.

 

[giusti825]

It's wrong always. What do you think?

And you think it's sane to believe that Russia invaded Ukraine because they were scared of being invaded by the U.S. first? That's not even their own claim, sicko.

It's morally bankrupt of us to help Ukraine fight back against an invasion? Do you get hard when you read about the atrocities committed against the Ukranian people?

No. Russia invaded for 2 reasons. First, the Nazi-laden Ukrainian government was in it's eighth year of killing the ethnically Russian population of the Donbass, in direct violation of the Minsk peace accords. Second, Ukraine was going through the steps to join NATO which the Russian government saw as a potentially existential threat. Russia was invaded 5 times via routes through Ukraine.

It's absolutely morally bankrupt to sacrifice Ukrainian lives needlessly when our own intelligence agencies believe that Ukraine can't win and will recapture little to no land.

This isn't about helping Ukraine win, it's about enriching DC weapons contractors at the expense of needless Ukrainian deaths by the hundreds of thousands.

Russia made a very fair peace offer in Turkey in March of 2022. Boris Johnson went to Ukraine at the behest of the US to tell Zelensky to back out of the agreement after the diplomats had already agreed. I said at the time that Ukraine should have taken the deal as in a prolonged conflict, their negotiating position will only get weaker and weaker.

I was right. If they took the deal, they would still have Zaporozhia and Kherson.

They should negotiate for peace ASAP as the longer this continues, the more territory Ukraine will lose and the weaker their negotiating position becomes.

 

[mon]

Doibt china would tolerate the intrusion into their space

 

[AWilder]

No. Russia invaded for 2 reasons. First, the Nazi-laden Ukrainian government was in it's eighth year of killing the ethnically Russian population of the Donbass, in direct violation of the Minsk peace accords. Second, Ukraine was going through the steps to join NATO which the Russian government saw as a potentially existential threat. Russia was invaded 5 times via routes through Ukraine.

It's absolutely morally bankrupt to sacrifice Ukrainian lives needlessly when our own intelligence agencies believe that Ukraine can't win and will recapture little to no land.

This isn't about helping Ukraine win, it's about enriching DC weapons contractors at the expense of needless Ukrainian deaths by the hundreds of thousands.

Russia made a very fair peace offer in Turkey in March of 2022. Boris Johnson went to Ukraine at the behest of the US to tell Zelensky to back out of the agreement after the diplomats had already agreed. I said at the time that Ukraine should have taken the deal as in a prolonged conflict, their negotiating position will only get weaker and weaker.

I was right. If they took the deal, they would still have Zaporozhia and Kherson.

They should negotiate for peace ASAP as the longer this continues, the more territory Ukraine will lose and the weaker their negotiating position becomes.

hahahahaha It's sad that people believe this shit.

 

[Andy Capp]

No. Russia invaded for 2 reasons. First, the Nazi-laden Ukrainian government was in it's eighth year of killing the ethnically Russian population of the Donbass, in direct violation of the Minsk peace accords. Second, Ukraine was going through the steps to join NATO which the Russian government saw as a potentially existential threat. Russia was invaded 5 times via routes through Ukraine.

It's absolutely morally bankrupt to sacrifice Ukrainian lives needlessly when our own intelligence agencies believe that Ukraine can't win and will recapture little to no land.

This isn't about helping Ukraine win, it's about enriching DC weapons contractors at the expense of needless Ukrainian deaths by the hundreds of thousands.

Russia made a very fair peace offer in Turkey in March of 2022. Boris Johnson went to Ukraine at the behest of the US to tell Zelensky to back out of the agreement after the diplomats had already agreed. I said at the time that Ukraine should have taken the deal as in a prolonged conflict, their negotiating position will only get weaker and weaker.

I was right. If they took the deal, they would still have Zaporozhia and Kherson.

They should negotiate for peace ASAP as the longer this continues, the more territory Ukraine will lose and the weaker their negotiating position becomes.

LOL @ this Russian propaganda.

All Russia has to do is withdraw from Ukrainian territory and poof, instant peace.

 

[giusti825]

LOL @ this Russian propaganda.

All Russia has to do is withdraw from Ukrainian territory and poof, instant peace.

Why would Russia retreat if they are winning?

What in my premise or conclusion do you think was factually incorrect?

If the Russians say "the sky is blue," the color of the sky doesn't change just because a Russian pointed out the obvious.

I don't care who's "talking point" it is. I care what is true or false, no matter who is making the claims.

Are you one of those people who believe the Ukrainians should fight to the last man until they take back all territory including Crimea?

If so, I'd argue you care less about Ukrainians lives then the Russians. At least the Russians are willing to negotiate for peace.