The attitudes of casuals are trickling into the hardcore fandom

[Substance Abuse]

This is a reach. It's always been this way.

 

[Sweater of AV]

I could give a flying fuck what these guys make.

Give that another try.

Don't worry champ, we've all been watching and/or a part of the sport for a long time. I don't need to hear your "I've been watching since UFC 1" story but I appreciate the laughs.

 

[spearfishin guy]

Give that another try.

Don't worry champ, we've all been watching and/or a part of the sport for a long time. I don't need to hear your "I've been watching since UFC 1" story but I appreciate the laughs.

Don't worry chump just keep living in a fish bowl like a beta.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

I think a lot of poors follow MMA and get obsessed with contracts and payouts because they identify as rich.

 

[SuperNerd]

All you dorks trying to make some sort of character judgment around this sound gay.

It's prize fighting.

You can keep your head in the dark and accept what UFC gives us. Cheers, enjoy the show.

But if you want to follow, understand and know how this shit works, why fights are booked, the motivations behind fighters and promoters, their goals.. you have to follow the money.

They're not fighting for fake belts or your fandom. This is a business.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Don't worry chump just keep living in a fish bowl like a beta.

Ah yes, "beta." Nothing screams "I've been watching since UFC 1" like walking around thinking you're "alpha."

Let me guess, Sean Sherk is also a "beta?"



You're an absolute can and so are the other dumbasses saying they don't care because they've been watching MMA for a long time.

 

[spearfishin guy]

Ah yes, "beta." Nothing screams "I've been watching since UFC 1" like walking around thinking you're "alpha."

Let me guess, Sean Sherk is also a "beta?"



You're an absolute can and so are the other dumbasses saying they don't care because they've been watching MMA for a long time.

Bud you're the beta. Is Sean Sherk a beta? He's a whiner that's for sure. Is Sherk your husband, your employee? So why the fuck do you care what he makes? Do you care how much your neighbour down the street makes? Would you go onto an online forum and white knight him because he wants more? You guys are a bunch of commies. You must be collecting social assistance and living in your mom's basement.

 

[HHJ]

Sorry, but there is no way to be a real fan of mma (or fightsports in general) and avoid talking about financials. You cant be into prize fighting and ignore the prize. The money is the reason why anything happens. Wether fights get made or not. Who gets the fights and when,and where.

People bitching about "too much money talk" are delusional.

It's ok to be angry about the money influencing things into a direction you dont like in any given particular situation, but to say that no one should care about what someone is making, is missing the point entirely.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Bud you're the beta. Is Sean Sherk a beta? He's a whiner that's for sure. Is Sherk your husband, your employee? So why the fuck do you care what he makes? Do you care how much your neighbour down the street makes? Would you go onto an online forum and white knight him because he wants more? You guys are a bunch of commies. You must be collecting social assistance and living in your mom's basement.

Lol at this illiterate can.

Randy Couture and Don Frye are betas.

 

[HHJ]

I think a lot of poors follow MMA and get obsessed with contracts and payouts because they identify as rich.

Or they want to know what is actually going on.

 

[DapperDave]

I've been watching UFC for 20 years.

I trained for 35 years. I still train, but only strikes and bores less than 20mm. I can choke people, but I don't train on the ground any more. I still ride.

I think humans should grow and learn and develop. I think humans should seek self-reliance as fast as possible.

If you could create a scenario where any UFC fighter was forced to choose between giving up their UFC contract forever, or hurting OP real real bad, they would all hurt OP real real bad.

I mean, that's it.

Somewhere along the line, human society went so far off track that incapable, unskilled, fully dependent soiboy poofs actually obtained a voice and started crying about how self-reliant adults are incapable of protecting their own interests, therefore self-reliant adults all need assistance from incapable, unskilled, fully dependent soiboy poof cheetoh-farting fatfuck keyboard cunts.

Weird.

 

[Siver!]

Hardcores should always care about pay.

Better pay = better fighters tomorrow.

Watching Ngannou get schooled by Joshua is more than just 'Ngannou isn't a boxer' when you look at Joshua's career.

He invested massively in amateur boxing with great financial support, then turned professional and made an absolute killing.

If a young Anthony Joshua thought MMA offered more money, he would never have been a boxer in the first place.

You want more studs in MMA? Then you care about fighter pay today.

 

[felmmando]

A lot of people seem to lack empathy these days, and my stoner theory takes it one step further: most people seem to live on Tylenol/acetaminophen and take it multiple times a day, every day, and it has been shown to reduce/eliminate empathy in people. So more and more people are out there existing in their own world where everyone besides them can fuck off.

Who showed that Tylenol undermines empathy?

 

[HHJ]

Nah.

Hardcore fans have been watching since the fighters have been fighting for peanuts and pride.

Casual fans think pay is the be all end all.

Pay IS the be all end all.

No one fights for free.

The money is now alot more publicly known, and there ia alot more of it. If it had been like that 20 yrs ago, people would be talking about it back then too.

Why did Sean O malley fight Chito Vera instead of a more deserving challenger? I suppose if anyone discusses that, they are a casual?

Why did Frank Shamrock relinquish his UFC title? Im pretty sure he said why, right there in the ring.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Hey look, financials aren't important. They're only a big reason why great fights aren't made.

But of course keep shoveling 10/10 Contender Series nonsense down your throats and pretend you're watching the greatest fights on the planet.

Demetrious Johnson reveals shocking pay during UFC run: 'That's where that chip on my shoulder came from'

Demetrious Johnson opens up about his pay during his time with the UFC.

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

“I finally got a new contract as champion, and I think it was ($125,000 to show) and ($50,000 to win), but I couldn’t get pay-per-view points – and that’s where a champion makes most of their bang for their buck, is the pay-per-view points,” Johnson said. “Because if you get on a card with a Conor McGregor and he does 2.1 million buys, then you just do the f*cking math. You’re going to make a sh*tload of money. I never got the opportunity to do that.”

Toward the end of his historic title reign at 125 pounds, the UFC tried to book a champion vs. champion fight between Johnson and then-bantamweight titleholder T.J. Dillashaw. Johnson said low pay was the reason he never accepted the bout.

“When they tried to stiffarm me to fight T.J. Dillashaw, I was like, ‘Yeah, pay me a f*cking million dollars and I’ll do it. This is a super fight, let’s make some super money.’ They never wanted to do that. That’s why I came out like that, basically pushing back, like, ‘When does a champion have leverage? When does a champion be able to get what’s due to him?’

“I’m going on my seventh or eighth consecutive title defense, you’ve got f*cking CM Punk over here who’s making 500 bones ($500,000) and it’s his second fight in the UFC. That’s where that chip on my shoulder came from.”

 

[DapperDave]

Also, poor drunk guys are always going to whine.

Lookit - if you do a thing and you want more money to do the thing, then you should ask for the more money while you are still doing the thing.
If they say no, you can either accept no, or quit the thing and go do something else.
If you are really good, they will give you the more money.
If you aren't really good, they will not give you the more money. They will hire someone to replace you.

That is a free market. The free market will always prevail. Socialists sometimes close the free market for a few decades, but the socialists always eventually fail and the free market always eventually returns.

This phenomenon has persisted for 5000 years.

None of these whining cunts effectively demanded more money while they were fighting, but they sure whine a lot later.
None of these whining cunts would have ever made the money they made if a successful promotion hadn't paid them the money.
None of these whining cunts ever started and operated a successful promotion.
Why not? Anyone can do it.

Jake Paul is doing it.
His business model is to make a lot of noise about fighter pay.
Compared to UFC, Jake's business model is a complete flop.
Like, UFC is making reliable bank, and Jake is making noise.
Jake is making a little money, but no one else is. It's not like Ben or Tyron or Anderson or Tommy or Nate or Mike banked any lifetime wealth from the Paul promotion, and they never will.
So Jake is looking out for Jake, but he is not making other people rich. No one bought the PPVs. They aren't serious fights.
The big names did not fight Jake to make big money, they fought Jake to try to win and then make money off the fame of winning.

Anyway, if you had to choose between a 30-year career at UFC or a 30-year career at Jake, and the job was fulltime, and you were not allowed to make money anywhere else during your career, and you had to retire at the end of your career and never work for money again, which employer would you choose: UFC or Jake?

See?

 

[wolffanghameha]

I had the impression hardcores support fighter pay more than before. I remember browsing here in 2012 and it seemed like people looked down on fighters for choosing to pursue mma and for being Z tier athletes. There are a bunch of hardcores now who get their mma discussion on reddit, which is more pro fighter pay than here, and MMA media seems more pro-fighter compared to when BJPenn.com or Cagepotato (I forget which) used to bash on fighters iirc. There's also way more knowledge about CTE and post-career injuries due to the sport being older. And the recent boxing crossovers have illuminated how much more MMA fighters could make.

 

[Dim1]

"They want to see roided up gorillas swinging wildly until one goes down" - nice line

 

[DapperDave]

Better pay = better fighters tomorrow.

Really good pay = really good fighters tomorrow.

UFC has a shit-ton of really good fighters, at the top, and coming up.

Almost without fail, there is no such thing as an easy opponent in UFC because everyone who manages to obtain a UFC contract can really fight.

A shit-ton of fighters would love to win a UFC contract.

We are talking about thousands of the best fighters on the planet. All wanting the same thing: a UFC contract.

I wonder why so many of the best of the best want to fight in the UFC?

Because everyone knows the UFC sucks. Right?

...

There is reality, and then there are the unfounded, unprincipled whining complaints of unskilled, incapable snowflakes who can't do shit.

 

[Siver!]

Really good pay = really good fighters tomorrow.

UFC has a shit-ton of really good fighters, at the top, and coming up.

Almost without fail, there is no such thing as an easy opponent in UFC because everyone who manages to obtain a UFC contract can really fight.

A shit-ton of fighters would love to win a UFC contract.

We are talking about thousands of the best fighters on the planet. All wanting the same thing: a UFC contract.

I wonder why so many of the best of the best want to fight in the UFC?

Because everyone knows the UFC sucks. Right?

...

There is reality, and then there are the unfounded, unprincipled whining complaints of unskilled, incapable snowflakes who can't do shit.

Loooool

The highest paying sport gets the best athletes.

MMA isn't close. No need to try so hard to be the dissenter, contrarianism is a failed endeavour.