Out of the 4 GOATS, is Fedor the only one who deliberately engaged his opponents at their strengths?

[HHJ]

I think the idea that "walking Mirko down" was some easy tactic might actually beat claiming Fedor was a brawler for shear wrong headedness which is repeated by large numbers of people, more Rogan UFC brand spiel along with the idea that "Nog always took a beating".

In reality Mirko was an incredible counter fighter and destroyed almost everyone who tried to do that, Wand, Aleks, Herring, Igor, etc. People tend to focus on the LHK as something Mirko landed to finish when he was in control but he could land it against opponents pushing forward like Igor AND it ignores how effective his bodykick and left straight were, indeed I think in MMA those two may actually have been bigger weapons for him.

He doesnt do anything flashy like Anderson but people tend to overlook that Fedor slips Mirko's left so many times in that fight and along with blocking the mid kicks that was really key to getting the upper hand standing. On the ground again I think he exploited Mirko depending on his guard being so strong for defence, basically forced him to work so hard to maintain it stacking him up that it tired him out.

The Hunt fight honestly I didnt think Mirko looked at good in, had a leg injury and perhaps more importantly was still hung over from the Fedor loss, he didnt look good beating Barnett the second time either IMHO. Even then of course he still landed a plum LHK which probably finishes all but a tiny handful of MMA fighters and a very nasty axe kick.

the speed on that right straight alone was enough to deter that tactic. Fedor got nailed w it a few times,eventually it broke his nose.

 

[Cartiac]

Which opponents are you talking about? The ones in Pride that Yakuza ensured would not win if they valued their life or the ones that obliterated him when he tried real fights in the US?

 

[HHJ]

Which opponents are you talking about? The ones in Pride that Yakuza ensured would not win if they valued their life or the ones that obliterated him when he tried real fights in the US?

If they could do that why werent Sakuraba Ogawa and yoshida champions?

 

[Cartiac]

If they could do that why werent Sakuraba Ogawa and yoshida champions?

great game of whataboutism. Why wasn't Dan Henderson given the chance to KO Fedor and take all the belts in Pride?

 

[HHJ]

great game of whataboutism. Why wasn't Dan Henderson given the chance to KO Fedor and take all the belts in Pride

Nice Deflection why dont you answer the question instead of making another one

 

[Cartiac]

Nice Deflection why dont you answer the question instead of making another one

You first buddy

 

[BFoe]

Plenty of people have walked down and pressured Cro Cop. It's almost like that's the way to beat him.

Certainly not at that point. When Fedor fought Mirko in August 2005, Mirko only had 2 losses: Nog, and the Randleman KO. Who was successfully walking him down and pressuring him at that point in time? It’s almost like Fedor laid the blueprint.

You first buddy

I got no problem answering it: Fedor won his first 4 straight fights in the US, 3 of which were former UFC champions, and 2 of which were ranked Top 5 in the world at the time. So GTFO.
As for Hendo, he has said himself that going up to HW to fight Fedor in PRIDE was simply not something he was thinking about or planning on doing at the time.

 

[Cartiac]

Certainly not at that point. When Fedor fought Mirko in August 2005, Mirko only had 2 losses: Nog, and the Randleman KO. Who was successfully walking him down and pressuring him at that point in time? It’s almost like Fedor laid the blueprint.

I got no problem answering it: Fedor won his first 4 straight fights in the US, 3 of which were former UFC champions, and 2 of which were ranked Top 5 in the world at the time. So GTFO.
As for Hendo, he has said himself that going up to HW to fight Fedor in PRIDE was simply not something he was thinking about or planning on doing at the time.

When you are bragging about wins over Tim Sylvia you know you are sad.

 

[HHJ]

You first buddy

I asked first. Thats how this shit works.

 

[BFoe]

When you are bragging about wins over Tim Sylvia you know you are sad.

When you don’t realize that Sylvia is one of the greatest HWs of all time, you know you’re a noob.

 

[Kevin Sorbo]

Only one of them is undefeated. Jon Goat Jones. Genghis Khan inside the cage, Jesus outside. A man I proudly call as my idol.

Fedor deliberately engage in his opponent at their strength, huh? Pretty sure I recalled him spamming takedown against Mark Hunt and Mirko, and got gifted a decision win against Arona who controlled him the whole fight.

Jon Jones is your idol? Wow, your life must be sad.

 

[markg171]

Certainly not at that point. When Fedor fought Mirko in August 2005, Mirko only had 2 losses: Nog, and the Randleman KO. Who was successfully walking him down and pressuring him at that point in time? It’s almost like Fedor laid the blueprint.

Somebody must've forgotten about Wand / Cro Cop 1 or something.

 

[BFoe]

Somebody must've forgotten about Wand / Cro Cop 1 or something.

Wanderlei did not spend that whole fight walking Mirko down.

 

[Yellowcrab]

No matter how many time Sherdog repeats it, Fedor is not a GOAT and never will be.

 

[markg171]

Wanderlei did not spend that whole fight walking Mirko down.

Oh so now it has to be the whole fight eh?

Wanderlei laid the blueprint to beating Cro Cop years before Fedor. It's okay that you made a boo boo on your Pride history.

 

[BFoe]

Oh so now it has to be the whole fight eh?

Wanderlei laid the blueprint to beating Cro Cop years before Fedor. It's okay that you made a boo boo on your Pride history.

lol dude, Wand wasn’t walking him down or pressuring much at all the first…I dunno, 3 rounds of that fight, maybe? In the early rounds, any time he was able to cut an angle or close distance he clinched and went for the TD.
But hey, if you want to believe that Wanderlei somehow set the blueprint for beating Cro Cop, in a fight that went to a TLD, and noooobody could follow it to victory—not Sakuraba, not Igor, not Herring—until Fedor came along, that’s fine.

 

[DapperDave]

I remember Arlovski just positively lighting Fedor up until flying knee hail mary overhand.

I think Black Beast would just smash any Fedor easily. Like, how is "prime" Fedor ever gonna get past Gane, Sergei, Stipe, Jones, Aspinall, etc?

Fedor schmaydor.

Fedor did good. Thanks man.

This is the 57433rd sherdog faydoor thread.

I forgot. I don't have to click on it. Never mind.

 

[markg171]

lol dude, Wand wasn’t walking him down or pressuring much at all the first…I dunno, 3 rounds of that fight, maybe? In the early rounds, any time he was able to cut an angle or close distance he clinched and went for the TD.
But hey, if you want to believe that Wanderlei somehow set the blueprint for beating Cro Cop, in a fight that went to a TLD, and noooobody could follow it to victory—not Sakuraba, not Igor, not Herring—until Fedor came along, that’s fine.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you to find out that somebody had beaten Cro Cop before your precious Fedor.

 

[BFoe]

I'm so sorry this is happening to you to find out that somebody had beaten Cro Cop before your precious Fedor.

Yes, it was super shocking. Especially since I had already said

When Fedor fought Mirko in August 2005, Mirko only had 2 losses: Nog, and the Randleman KO.

I am sorry this is happening to you for what is probably the billionth time: to find out you don’t know what you are talking about.

 

[markg171]

Yes, it was super shocking. Especially since I had already said

I am sorry this is happening to you for what is probably the billionth time: to find out you don’t know what you are talking about.

Yes, Wanderlei didn't technically beat Cro Cop because they gave Cro Cop special rules that he couldn't lose a decision.

Congrats on your narrative that Fedor was the first person to fight Cro Cop without needing a sub or freak KO though!