Media The UFC Heavyweight Division By FAR Worst Male Division in Entire UFC

TITS said:
Blanchfield has absolutely abysmal striking. Raquel would put a clinic on her (and probably Rose and Grasso too). The only thing good about her standup is her ability to absorb strikes and keep moving forward.
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Pennington is a bum and the only thing she would have on them is size. There're weight classes for a reason.
 
Black9 said:
There's no way you or anyone would sit through a Raquel Pennington vs Pena/Bueno Silva title fight over Tom vs Jones or Tom vs Stipe or any Sergei fight lol.
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Sure, but those matchups aren't the norm for HW, and some of them haven't even happened. Jon's 1 fight at HW wasn't that great, and he hasn't fought Tom or Stipe.

And yes, Champington's fights always suck, but there's plenty of other awesome BW fights.

Mayra is almost always fun and violent.

Pannie vs Macy just the other week was better than most HW fights.

Aldana vs Karol Rosa is one of the best fights of the year so far. That was way more entertaining than any of those HW fights you mentioned.
 
TITS said:
Blanchfield has absolutely abysmal striking. Raquel would put a clinic on her (and probably Rose and Grasso too). The only thing good about her standup is her ability to absorb strikes and keep moving forward.
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So what?

Gane, Lewis, Tafa brothers, Tai, etc. have abysmal grappling.

Jailton, Spivak, has abysmal striking.

Some of these are right up there in the rankings.

The BW top 10 is way more rounded and skilled than these 1 dimensional 1.5 round cardio slobs.
 
xhaydenx said:
So what?

Gane, Lewis, Tafa brothers, Tai, etc. have abysmal grappling.

Jailton, Spivak, has abysmal striking.

Some of these are right up there in the rankings.

The BW top 10 is way more rounded and skilled than these 1 dimensional 1.5 round cardio slobs.
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Spoken like a true 5'7" 135lb manlet. The thing is, these "1 dimensional 1.5 round cardio slobs" always have the ability to knock each other out in less than 1.5 rounds, as opposed to the WMMA fights that are mostly shitty amateurish decision fests. Jailton and Spivak are significantly better at their ground game and have fought way tougher opponents than any of those WMMA card fillers you keep choking your chicken over.

Aldana vs Karol Rosa is one of the best fights of the year so far?

{<jordan}

Good thing we're only in the first quarter of 2024.
 
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I don't know about all of that, but I sure as fuck never want to see Williams fight again.
 
TITS said:
Spoken like a true 5'7" 135lb manlet. The thing is, these "1 dimensional 1.5 round cardio slobs" always have the ability to knock each other out in less than 1.5 rounds, as opposed to the WMMA fights that are mostly shitty amateurish decision fests. Jailton and Spivak are significantly better at their ground game and have fought way tougher opponents than any of those WMMA card fillers you keep choking your chicken over.

Aldana vs Karol Rosa is one of the best fights of the year so far?

{<jordan}

Get your manhood back, please.
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I'm actually a 5'8 165 manlet, so there.

Yeh, the HWS have got the ability to do that, but they don't do it all that often. For every big KO, we get like 5 HW fights where they tire out in 0.5 rounds and then just sorta slob around the octagon for the rest of the fight.

Who are these tough opponents that Spivak and Jailton have fought? Spivak being in there against Tom means nothing. He looked like the can he is. He got to fight him because the division is weak as piss. Looked like a can against Gane too. He's only beaten cans. Same deal with Jailton. Fought cans. People thought he was some grappling god because he literally laid on Lewis for 5 rounds, and Lewis has absolutely zero grappling. What an achievement. Then his shit-tier grappling got exposed by Blaydes.

And yeh, Rosa vs Aldana was amazing, but hey, if you think the Brazilian Blanket Jailton literally laying on fat, lazy no wrestling slob Lewis is entertainment, then I'm happy for you, because that's the sort of shit the UFC love to put on for main events.
 
xhaydenx said:
I'm actually a 5'8 165 manlet, so there.

Yeh, the HWS have got the ability to do that, but they don't do it all that often. For every big KO, we get like 5 HW fights where they tire out in 0.5 rounds and then just sorta slob around the octagon for the rest of the fight.

Who are these tough opponents that Spivak and Jailton have fought? Spivak being in there against Tom means nothing. He looked like the can he is. He got to fight him because the division is weak as piss. Looked like a can against Gane too. He's only beaten cans. Same deal with Jailton. Fought cans. People thought he was some grappling god because he literally laid on Lewis for 5 rounds, and Lewis has absolutely zero grappling. What an achievement. Then his shit-tier grappling got exposed by Blaydes.

And yeh, Rosa vs Aldana was amazing, but hey, if you think the Brazilian Blanket Jailton literally laying on fat, lazy no wrestling slob Lewis is entertainment, then I'm happy for you, because that's the sort of shit the UFC love to put on for main events.
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I'm not a fan of Jailton at all, and was glad Blaydes finished him. The thing is, all these guys at HW you call "cans" have still achieved more in this sport overall than most the cardio kickboxing/BJJ gym dummies you get your rocks off over. Look at who Lewis has wins over, then look at who Alcana has wins over. Rosa is a bum. All their wins are over (mostly) retired and low-level bums.
 
Why don't you beat them if you think it's easy?

<BC1>
 
It's hard to find highly skilled fighters that are 6'2" or taller and weighing 240 lbs or larger.

The average height for a male is around 5'9" and average weight for men is around 197 lbs. So it's speaks for itself in why the HW division will never be the most skilled group.

Although, it's probably the most toughest division. Just because it just takes one punch and it's over.

Why do a lot of LHW's cut weight to that weight class? It's because they fear fighting HW's. The weight differential is huge in that weight class.
 
TITS said:
I'm not a fan of Jailton at all, and was glad Blaydes finished him. The thing is, all these guys at HW you call "cans" have still achieved more in this sport overall than most the cardio kickboxing/BJJ gym dummies you get your rocks off over. Look at who Lewis has wins over, then look at who Alcana has wins over. Rosa is a bum. All their wins are over (mostly) retired and low-level bums.
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I'm not saying the girls aren't bums or haven't beaten a lot of bums. That's not really the point.

There's bums in both divisions, but relatively, the WMMA girls are more well rounded than the HWs.

Lewis and Gane have fought for the belt, and yet neither of them can grapple. Lewis doesn't even have good striking. He just hits hard.

You say Rosa is a bum, but she's miles more skilled than Lewis is as both a striker and a striker. Aldana is no different. And they both strike better than someone like Jailton. The KO power difference doesn't change that.

Lewis and Gane got their shots because they fight in a piss weak division. A low level bum with Lewis's skills would never make it to the UFC in any of the lower divisions.

And those fighters I called cans haven't all achieved more than someone like Aldana. She fought for a belt. Spivak is in the weakest div there is and never fought for a belt. Him fighting in a main event means nothing. They get that simply because they're big.
 
Black9 said:
It's so bad this Tafa fight is nearly unwatchable.
It might be the 2nd worst division in the entire UFC Male or Female (Woman's Bantamweight being the only one worse)
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It is still relatively common for HWs to make it to the UFC with basic gettups and no offensive grappling.They don't sign fighters to the women's divisions with that level of grappling, as in none at all, because they know those fighters will not last no matter how skilled their striking.

Whereas at HW a fighter with no offensive grappling and basic gettups can fight the Tafa brothers, Waldo, Robelis Despaigne, or Jhonata Diniz; among others. And if they are good enough to make it into the rankings they can fight Jairzinho Rozenstruik, Derek Lewis, or Tai.
 
I remember the days of Tim Sylvia, Wes Correia, Tank Abbot's comeback, Ricco Rodriguez, Wes Sims, and Mike Kyle.
 
DiddlyDoodly said:
Probably because the average male isn't that large, so the pool is thinner.
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this. also they seem less skilled cause big man will look slower and more clumsy. plus, even bigger danger of getting upset by a big punch and looking like an idiot that cant fight in the process.
 
Black9 said:
With Rose, Blanchfield, Valentina, Grasso. Woman's Bantamweight is by far the worst division in the entire UFC let alone woman's.

Raquel Pennington could be the worst UFC champion in UFC history lol.
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Nicco is the worst, failed weight cut just to avoid Valentina
 
The insults inside this thread have been good thus far
 
Blanqa Blanqua said:
So why isn’t Tom cleaning it out right now?
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Tom has beaten #3, #6, #8 and #9 ranked guys thats basically half of the top 10 excluding himself

He got injured 15 seconds into the fight against #5, #4 might as well be retired and hasn't fought in years and the "champ" is ducking him hard.

Id say Tom is close to cleaning it out. He realistically only has Gane and Blaydes left to beat. Stipe is 40 and may never fight again if it isn't Jon. Jon is committing one of the biggest ducks in MMA against Tom when they should be unifying. Tom has basically beaten any other actual credible HW b/w Pav, Volkov, Tybura, Spivac.
 
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