International Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror

[Rod1]

Funny, godless liberals are the ones that are easily controlled and manipulared by the elites (see their covid response), while Christians are the ones who push back against tyrannical rule and fight for freedom. Because we know that our freedom comes from God, not man.

Christians are the first to abandon their values and follow any false prophet.

Religious people tend to be extremely sheepish which is why founding fathers separated church from state.

 

[Rod1]

Anti theists/secular movements have killed far more people than Islamic empires have. You guys show a blind eye to all the terrorism done in the name of democracy and have no issues with infrinigng upon the rights of religious groups all to maintain your precious ideaology of secularism (very hypocritical because this is the same thing accuse of religious fundamentalists of doing).

"We can't stone people in accordance to our beliefs, this is religious prosecution!!!!"

Secularism isn't immune to attrocities but at least there is more room for debate among secularist ideologies than there is against magical ones.

Like i can easily argue why communism and nazism are bad without the risk of having some random idiot try to kill me on the street with a hatchet because i insulted their prophet.

 

[Gotosleepho]

"We can't stone people in accordance to our beliefs, this is religious prosecution!!!!"

Secularism isn't immune to attrocities but at least there is more room for debate among secularist ideologies than there is against magical ones.

Like i can easily argue why communism and nazism are bad without the risk of having some random idiot try to kill me on the street with a hatchet because i insulted their prophet.

Secular people with all of their morals of the 21st century might attack you with a hatchet as well. With the exception of one major religion, it's not dependent on religion.

 

[Rod1]

Secular people with all of their morals of the 21st century might attack you with a hatchet as well. With the exception of one major religion, it's not dependent on religion.

True, but irrationality is a core concept of religion, its not necessarily a core concept of secularism, even though irrational secularist thinking exists.

Religion is ultimately harmless when they go by the "render unto Caesar" mentality, the big issue however is that religious leadership inherently attracts megalomaniacs and megalomaniacs are never satisfied.

I mean Christians endured centuries of prosecution until they learned that and yet still nowadays the debate on whether forcing girls in their early teens to carry their rapist baby to term being a bad thing is still going on because some people want to argue that its "god's will".

 

[cabal]

Th

I thought they were the religion of peace?

The eterna peace perhaps

 

[Islam Imamate]

"We can't stone people in accordance to our beliefs, this is religious prosecution!!!!"

Secularism isn't immune to attrocities but at least there is more room for debate among secularist ideologies than there is against magical ones.

Like i can easily argue why communism and nazism are bad without the risk of having some random idiot try to kill me on the street with a hatchet because i insulted their prophet.

In premodern Islam there was extensive debate and disagreement on most matters of religion. There are variant readings of Qur'an and four extant madhabs in Sunni Islam among other major forms of variance. Historically there was also lots of regional and local variance in practice and belief.

Institutions are what create or negate the space for disagreement. A centralized communist state is going to have less room for dissent than a premodern decentralized Islamic state where the Shaykh al-Islam's proclamations are more or less advisory. Conversely a liberal democracy will have more room for disagreement than the Islamic Republic of Iran.

 

[Kassitus]

Just say Muslims. Say it with me:

M U S L I M S





The new covenant > your gotcha Leviticus quote.

Why do you abandon Leviticus? It's by far the most badass book. "I did not come to change the old laws." - Jesus.

Abandoning the OT is no different than thinking gay priests are fine. And by the way, outside of the abrahamic religions there are other patriarchal traditions which execute people for sexual impropriety. The Germans for example threw the gays into mud swamps.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Why do you abandon Leviticus? It's by far the most badass book. "I did not come to change the old laws." - Jesus.

Abandoning the OT is no different than thinking gay priests are fine. And by the way, outside of the abrahamic religions there are other patriarchal traditions which execute people for sexual impropriety. The Germans for example threw the gays into mud swamps.

It's not about abandoning Leviticus, it's Jesus being the Messiah and the rules were overwritten-not by him. Jesus still talked in a jewish perspective right until his crucifixion. People had to stop sacrificing animals because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice.

 

[Rod1]

In premodern Islam there was extensive debate and disagreement on most matters of religion. There are variant readings of Qur'an and four extant madhabs in Sunni Islam among other major forms of variance. Historically there was also lots of regional and local variance in practice and belief.

And how did that turned out though? over time fundamentalist seems to be the norm the more political power is held by religious institutions.

Institutions are what create or negate the space for disagreement. A centralized communist state is going to have less room for dissent than a premodern decentralized Islamic state where the Shaykh al-Islam's proclamations are more or less advisory. Conversely a liberal democracy will have more room for disagreement than the Islamic Republic of Iran.

True, Communism is at a certain point a lot like a religion, but there is a big difference, communism fails when confronted with reality, rarely would a communism regime lead to a zealous population full of believers, on the contrary, communist regimes usually lead to the opposite, to communist hating populations.

This is not true with Islam or religion, Afghan refugees don't turn into Islamic hating secularist in the similar venue of how Cuban and Venezuelan refugees turn into Communist hating people.

Reality is way less forgiving with secular zealots.

 

[blaseblase]

Hating Islam isn't hating people. Hating islam (the religion)and what it stands for is in my opinion perfectly fine given the fact that anyone trying to justify islam has to 're-interpret' what the Koran says. But if you take it for what it literally says Muslims have to do, then you're a intolerant woman hating murderer.

The Koran is no worse than the Torah and Talmud.

 

[blaseblase]

Hating Islam isn't hating people. Hating islam (the religion)and what it stands for is in my opinion perfectly fine given the fact that anyone trying to justify islam has to 're-interpret' what the Koran says. But if you take it for what it literally says Muslims have to do, then you're a intolerant woman hating murderer.

The Koran is no worse than the Torah and Talmud.

 

[Rod1]

The Koran is no worse than the Torah and Talmud.

People wont murder you for burning the Torah.

Norwegian Anti-Islam Extremist in Car Crash After Burning Quran

Another car slammed into his vehicle, overturning it

www.voanews.com

 

[Islam Imamate]

And how did that turned out though? over time fundamentalist seems to be the norm the more political power is held by religious institutions.

It turned out fine for over a millennia until colonialism swallowed the premodern Islamic world.

 

[evansusmc2]

Christian preacher says the world would call the US a “wise nation” if it stoned gay people to death

He told his congregation that gay people should be covered in blood

www.lgbtqnation.com

Texas pastor says gay people should be 'shot in the back of the head' in shocking sermon

Pastor Dillon Awes of Stedfast Baptist Church in Watauga said gay people "are dangerous to society” and “all homosexuals are pedophiles.”

www.nbcnews.com

Just because we keep our fundies in check and prevent them from passing policy doesn't mean they're not cut from the exact same cloth.

The fact that they talk about it and thats it, make our culture better and NOT "cut from the same cloth".

The whole "Oh well they woulda coulda gonna shoulda coulda gonna maybe and gonna coulda" is not a real comparison.

 

[evansusmc2]

the more educated people are becoming the more open they are to Islam

Bullshiiiiiiiit..... I've spent enough time in the middle east and I am smart enough to know that's not true.

 

[evansusmc2]

What exactly did Trump do to make it smooth? Apart from the blatant capitulation and ridiculous time table

uuuuugh... I can tell you have never been in the military or never talked to anyone involved in that whole ordeal.

Biden should had said fuck it to the Taliban, but i guess American credibility took priority

Biden totally botched that mess.

 

[evansusmc2]

Big difference is that Christian fundies got their shit pushed in during the Modern Era.

And? who cares?? As the west becomes more agnostic/athiest/dgaf that becomes less relevant each day

Muslim fundies still hold a lot of power

Yeah and how's that going for the people of those countries?

 

[Rod1]

It turned out fine for over a millennia until colonialism brought swallowed the premodern Islamic world.

Colonialism? as in Ottomans?

 

[Rod1]

uuuuugh... I can tell you have never been in the military or never talked to anyone involved in that whole ordeal.

Weird because US generals said the timeline was ridiculous and wanted Biden to keep troops on the ground.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/28/top-generals-afghanistan-withdrawal-congress-hearing-514491

 

[terrapin]

"We can't stone people in accordance to our beliefs, this is religious prosecution!!!!"

Secularism isn't immune to attrocities but at least there is more room for debate among secularist ideologies than there is against magical ones.

Like i can easily argue why communism and nazism are bad without the risk of having some random idiot try to kill me on the street with a hatchet because i insulted their prophet.

lol.

You should study some of the Vatican councils they have had if you think there isn't hot rabid intense debate that goes on in religious circles.


It's like you guys are completely uneducated or something.