Crime The killing of Dexter Reed. The new George Floyd? "He was just riding around in his car, and they killed him"

[nhbbear]

People wonder how those old salty dog veterans became the way they were. Letting cities burn and saying, “protect your pension kid” to the other coppers who actually care. I have remained proactive for almost a decade. Maybe it’s the military version of me still believing in that oath I took 3 times to this country. I don’t know. You’re retired now though so I’m sure it’s easy to kick back and watch the shit show unfold.

You would think it’s easy, but it’s actually not. I struggle with the way things are going and wish I was still in some position to guide things.

 

[nhbbear]

And now look at it this way:

700,000 cops in 2022 killed 315 black people
49,000,000 black people in 2022, killed 10 cops (using your 26% value)

Did you look up the ten cops or are you just applying 26% towards the number of cops killed in 22 because without even searching, I can tell you it was more than ten.

 

[Helden]

Did you look up the ten cops or are you just applying 26% towards the number of cops killed in 22 because without even searching, I can tell you it was more than ten.

in 2022 in US, 61 police officers were killed by gunshot:

2022

264 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in 2022.

www.odmp.org

So if you apply that 26% number to that, you are right.. its 15

 

[herpd807]

George Floyd was the next Tony Timpa, but then you wouldn't know that name because he's white.

He died after a cop kneeled on his neck for 14 minutes. Now, his family can finally sue.

Tony Timpa died after a police officer kneeled on his neck for 14 minutes. A court originally denied his family the right to sue.

news.yahoo.com

Stop race baiting, it's unbecoming.

 

[Osculater]

George Floyd was the next Tony Timpa, but then you wouldn't know that name because he's white.

He died after a cop kneeled on his neck for 14 minutes. Now, his family can finally sue.

Tony Timpa died after a police officer kneeled on his neck for 14 minutes. A court originally denied his family the right to sue.

news.yahoo.com

Stop race baiting, it's unbecoming.

Well that's fvcked up

 

[ShadowRun]

So like originally stated, A cop is more likely to be killed by a Black person than a Black person is by a cop.

Thank you for finally understanding the point that was made.

I put that NPC on ignore, he’s stupid as hell

 

[Goonerview]

Hold on here. I think you've spoken too soon.

Right on time!

 

[DiddlyDoodly]

George Floyd was the next Tony Timpa, but then you wouldn't know that name because he's white.

He died after a cop kneeled on his neck for 14 minutes. Now, his family can finally sue.

Tony Timpa died after a police officer kneeled on his neck for 14 minutes. A court originally denied his family the right to sue.

news.yahoo.com

Stop race baiting, it's unbecoming.

I remember that one. The cops were laughing about it until they were told that he was dead.

 

[Helden]

I put that NPC on ignore, he’s stupid as hell

Aww boohoo

 

[DragRacer]

Double post

 

[DragRacer]

This should have been nothing more than a local story if the media were honest.

“Suspect opens fire on police at traffic stop, wounding one officer. Suspect shot dead by police. “

The end.

But with sensational national media headlines like this-

“Police fire 96 shots in 41 seconds, killing Black man during traffic stop”​

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www.washingtonpost.com

Is it egregious to refer to the media as the enemy of the people?

I mean this should have been the end of the thread but hey look there's ten pages of it

 

[Sara]

Plain clothes "task force" officers making basic traffic stops over seat belts. I mean what could go wrong?

Memphis police disband unit whose officers fatally beat Tyre Nichols | Tyre Nichols | The Guardian

The Scorpion unit has been deactivated after video was released of the brutal beating of the 29-year-old at the hands of officers

amp.theguardian.com

Oh yeah, plain clothes task force officers have a bad habit of f*cking up average citizens. Obviously one should always "just comply" any time some dudes with baseball caps and regular outfits on get out of a regular car, point guns, and bark orders at me because I may not have been wearing a seat belt. Oh but...

"However, early Tuesday evening, CBS 2 obtained a letter issued by Kersten to police Supt. Larry Snelling – in which she wrote that "the available evidence calls into question the veracity" of the claim that a seat belt violation was the initial reason for pulling over Reed.

"Specifically, COPA is uncertain how the officers could have seen this seat belt violation given their location relative to [the] vehicle and the dark tints on vehicle windows," Kersten wrote in the letter on April 1. "This evidence raises serious concerns about the validity of the traffic stop that led to the officers' encounter [Reed]."

And it looks like this unit is already under COPA investigation:

"The letter added that COPA had another investigation open for a traffic stop involving the same five officers, which occurred less than a month earlier and was also purported to be based on a seat belt violation."

Shooting at them was pretty nuts because of the sheer tactical disadvantage, granted he DIDN'T believe they were Cops (or see their badges until it was too late), it was still a poor decision. That said, this entire encounter stinks of these guys targeting certain citizens for whatever reason.

Was someone in the car with him? How do you know he didn’t see the badges or believe they were cops? Were there no lights on the unmarked car? I don’t pull over if there’s no lights, how’s they get him to stop?

 

[Sinister]

Was someone in the car with him? How do you know he didn’t see the badges or believe they were cops? Were there no lights on the unmarked car? I don’t pull over if there’s no lights, how’s they get him to stop?

Cars having lights on them and someone wearing Cop gear doesnt mean a whole lot. Take a look:







This is a trend similar to the old "Stolen Valor"...except people who pretend to be soldiers dont often conspire to exert power over average citizens. These wannabes do, and they're decked out to be purposely deceiving, and by your standards, you would believe them. Now imagine it's an unmarked vehicle and someone in plain clothes. My wife's position as a public safety regulator is a badge position. And it says "Deputy Officer" on it. She could easily pretend to be a Cop, and it would be a crime.

 

[Sara]

Cars having lights on them and someone wearing Cop gear doesnt mean a whole lot. Take a look:







This is a trend similar to the old "Stolen Valor"...except people who pretend to be soldiers dont often conspire to exert power over average citizens. These wannabes do, and they're decked out to be purposely deceiving, and by your standards, you would believe them. Now imagine it's an unmarked vehicle and someone in plain clothes. My wife's position as a public safety regulator is a badge position. And it says "Deputy Officer" on it. She could easily pretend to be a Cop, and it would be a crime.

Give me a break. People are pulled over by unmarked cars all the time, everywhere. You ask them to see there badge, you don’t open fire.

 

[Sinister]

Give me a break. People are pulled over by unmarked cars all the time, everywhere. You ask them to see there badge, you don’t open fire.

Yeah, I said numerous times that opening fire was stupid. But nah, no break for you if you're just gonna ignore answers to questions you ask. Those phony guys all had lights, gear, and badges.

 

[Sara]

Yeah, I said numerous times that opening fire was stupid. But nah, no break for you if you're just gonna ignore answers to questions you ask. Those phony guys all had lights, gear, and badges.

This attitude is exactly what’s wrong. Refusing to comply within police, fighting and opening fire, but it’s ok cause 1% of the time (less) it’s people impersonating police.

 

[Sinister]

This attitude is exactly what’s wrong. Refusing to comply within police, fighting and opening fire, but it’s ok cause 1% of the time (less) it’s people impersonating police.

Lol, not sure how many times I have to say that shooting was incredibly stupid in this case. But you asked for evidence to be skeptical of someone stopping you claiming to be police, you're shown it right in front of your face, and you're saying I'm the problem because I guess I'm demonstrating insufficient compliance lol

Citizens dont immediately owe compliance to Cops who arent operating within the parameters of the law themselves. We have Amendments to the constitution and proceeding case law that establishes that. You don't have to speak to them, or assist them in investigating yourself (5th amendment), they cannot merely hold until you do or search your belongings for reasons to without warrant or reasonable suspicion that you are committing a crime (4th Amendment), and you can tell them to f*ck right off (1st Amendment) while armed (2nd Amendment).

 

[Lucas1980]

Give me a break. People are pulled over by unmarked cars all the time, everywhere. You ask them to see there badge, you don’t open fire.

You're asking certain people to have actual personal responsibility and accountability for their actions.......That's "WACIST"......get with the times.

 

[Lucas1980]

George Floyd was the next Tony Timpa, but then you wouldn't know that name because he's white.

He died after a cop kneeled on his neck for 14 minutes. Now, his family can finally sue.

Tony Timpa died after a police officer kneeled on his neck for 14 minutes. A court originally denied his family the right to sue.

news.yahoo.com

Stop race baiting, it's unbecoming.

That shit was was worse then the Fentanyl Floyd and not one ChicFil A was burned to the ground.....

 

[HockeyBjj]

The themes of this story are so similar to the ATF shooting the airport guy

Both people were definitely criminals, and imo wanted to get in a shootout with officers rather than face the music for their crimes. So let me be clear there.

But in both cases, cops were within the letter of the law with the how they started the engagement (banging on door at 6am, pulling car over for not wearing seatbelt and drawing guns immediately from plain clothes cops) but both seem on the overly aggressive end, and give law abdiding people pause that "are we certain that the guy was certain they were police and not other criminals after them? Was that the best way for cops to go after this guy?"

This shooting is very justified, but the tactics that led to it cause unnecessary blur between police and shock troops/other criminal group. Cops better have a better story for why 5 plain clothes officers jumped out with guns drawn for a "seat belt violation", even if the officers were right to return fire in self defense.

Clearly they knew who the guy was, correctly assumed he had another illegal gun on him, and said fuck the 4th amendment we're gonna search his ass because we want to and take him back to jail.