International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

Ukraine too is awful country.
They had " discussions " about changes in mobilisation bill 4 months. And If someone is thinking that Zelensky is worst case he is wrong... to edit 4435 pages in law project with discussions in row and having Marianna insisting to conscript also females....U imagine.
Also 2 months rolled for discussions bill about fortifications financing during wartime.
0 real switch to wartime economy too.

U.K in UKR case is shame and idiotic....
While at least they during war time WW2 had changed mobilisation bill in 1 week and ordered to switch to wartime economy all country in 1 month....Ukr still doesn't have brains for this..

 

[Cid]

This could be a big one if true. Waiting for some more reliable sources (Russians posting their L's) though.

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

Since Iran attack 20 Republicans signaled they would sign the discharged partition.

 

[Hog-train]

Where the fuck is all the money that was seized from Russian oligarchs and Putin's offshore assets?

This money is like 250 billion. This can easily be used to buy arms for Ukraine.

 

[Orgasmo]

Russian Blyatmobile 2.0 just dropped. This is peak tank.

 

[PEB]

Where the fuck is all the money that was seized from Russian oligarchs and Putin's offshore assets?

This money is like 250 billion. This can easily be used to buy arms for Ukraine.

The issue is Europe wants the money to aid countries housing displaced Ukrainians. This will need European approval.

 

[Strychnine]

Where the fuck is all the money that was seized from Russian oligarchs and Putin's offshore assets?

This money is like 250 billion. This can easily be used to buy arms for Ukraine.

A lot of leaders are hemming and hawing saying that this will "set a bad precedent."

 

[Orgasmo]

Where the fuck is all the money that was seized from Russian oligarchs and Putin's offshore assets?

This money is like 250 billion. This can easily be used to buy arms for Ukraine.

A lot of leaders are hemming and hawing saying that this will "set a bad precedent."

Even when Murica was fighting Nazi Germany in WWII, it was still paying interests to German owned treasury bonds and frozen assets. After the war, Murica was undisputed in its financial credibility and every country in the world started putting their assets there. The moment you start seizing foreign assets, you piss away nearly a century of solid reputation.

On top of that, Murica has trillions of investments overseas. There is a heavy risk of retaliation not to mention reprecussions.

In short, Uncle Sam does not fuck around with his credit rating.

 

[Strychnine]

Even when Murica was fighting Nazi Germany in WWII, it was still paying interests to German owned treasury bonds and frozen assets. After the war, Murica was undisputed in its financial credibility and every country in the world started putting their assets there. The moment you start seizing foreign assets, you piss away nearly a century of solid reputation.

On top of that, Murica has trillions of investments overseas. There is the risk of retaliation.

 

[Hog-train]

Even when Murica was fighting Nazi Germany in WWII, it was still paying interests to German owned treasury bonds and frozen assets. After the war, Murica was undisputed in its financial credibility and every country in the world started putting their assets there. The moment you start seizing foreign assets, you piss away nearly a century of solid reputation.

On top of that, Murica has trillions of investments overseas. There is a heavy risk of retaliation not to mention reprecussions.

In short, Uncle Sam does not fuck around with his credit rating.

But they already seized it. And it's not only the US. Most of the money is being held in European banks.

I just looked it's actually 300 billion in sovereign assets 58 billion of sanctioned Russian oligarch assets.

 

[Orgasmo]

But they already seized it. And it's not only the US. Most of the money is being held in European banks.

I just looked it's actually 300 billion in sovereign assets 58 billion of sanctioned Russian oligarch assets.

They frozed it, but they are not actually taking that money yet. There is too much potential repercussion from such a precedent. Russia, on the other hand, actually took Murica's (and EU) shit because their financial credibility was garbage to begin with. This isn't the case with the US and the EU.

I don't have the data for Russia, but I will use another example. When I was on an oversea assignment in China for my previous company in the early 2010's, my firm assessed US assets in China to be worth roughly $2 trillion. It would be much bigger now.

 

[Hog-train]

They frozed it, but they are not actually taking that money yet. There is too much potential repercussion from such a precedent. Russia, on the other hand, actually took Murica's (and EU) shit because their financial credibility was garbage to begin with. This isn't the case with the US and the EU.

I don't have the data for Russia, but I will use another example. When I was on an oversea assignment in China for my previous company in the early 2010's, my firm assessed US assets in China to be worth roughly $2 trillion. It would be much bigger now.

Yea true they only froze. Seems there are several options.

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www.reuters.com

 

[Orgasmo]

Yea true they only froze. Seems there are several options.

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www.reuters.com

You also have to consider the fact that it's not just Russia. It may trigger a foreign capital flight if they feel the West could seize their assets in the future. The Federal Reserve basically keeps the world's gold reserve in its vaults because Murica is the world's financier. It would cause massive shockwave if countries started repatriating their stockpile back and pulling out investments.

The idea of seizing Russian asset was brought up in 2014 after Crimea was seized. There is a reason why nobody actually did it even after a decade.

 

[Orgasmo]

If you have 20 minutes, I highly recommend this read:

The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine

If the West is serious about the possibility of a great power conflict, it needs to take a hard look at its capacity to wage a protracted war and to pursue a strategy focused on attrition rather than manoeuvre.

www.rusi.org

Probably the best professional analysis from UK on attritional warfare in Ukraine.

Also if you are interested in air war, Justin Bronk gives a pretty good breakdown:

 

[SandisLL]

The issue is Europe wants the money to aid countries housing displaced Ukrainians. This will need European approval.

Euroclear is Belgium. They does have approx 190 b EUR blocked and at least % gains from this they wants to use for Ukr....
Luxembourg might seize blocked assets even without EC approval ...


The problem isn't money.
Ukr needs ammo and missiles etc from U.S not money.... with money europe had supplied Ukr enough and Ukr had get grants, loans etc....

Money from U.S can't help Ukr.. they needs to get ammo etc. U.S does have a lot of old cold war era ammo and might sent this to Ukr.....not mandatory new freshly produced ammo. Old stuff will be enough good, time matters a lot.

 

[SandisLL]

Also stuff that Ukraine doesn't have money is idiotism.
March 2024 th alone Ukraine get 880 000 000 USD loan from IMF, 1 500 000 000$ from Canada and 1 100 000 000 $ from world bank under warranties from Japan and U.K and 4 500 000 000 EUR our taxpayers money.

This month Zelensky administration wants from us to unblock 2 900 000 000 EUR next portion.


We are tired and I don't support also payments for overpriced U.S weapons cos they can't deliver in time and this is reality...

We maybe will throw Ukraine under bus and Ukraine till November will be Russia, why not?

We also will ask why Ukraine doesn't have money to pay for weapons despite they are eating our money each day....we are paying everything and it is enough..

 

[Anewt]

 

[PEB]

Everyone acting like 60 billion is a ton of money? In this trillion dollar defense spending it really is less then 8 percent of the budget.

Another way to look at the net gain of 4 centurion billionaires just this year topped 100 billion in the last 4 months. Their tax breaks alone could pay for more then 50 percent of it. This is only 4 of them there is actually like 7 of them joined the club this year an 15 or more total in the club.

Anyway 75 percent of the money comes back to the US. This is not including to 25 in the 50 billion plus club. Warren Buffet son gave 500 million to Ukraine.

 

[SandisLL]

Everyone acting like 60 billion is a ton of money? In this trillion dollar defense spending it really is less then 8 percent of the budget.

Another way to look at the net gain of 4 centurion billionaires just this year topped 100 billion in the last 4 months. Their tax breaks along could pay for more then 50 percent of it. This is only 4 of them there is actually like 7 of them joined the club this year an 10 or more total in the club.

It isn't money Ukr needs from U.S.
It is supplies of mainly old weapons ASAP and 0 money will replace this....
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Europe is excepting that they even can't trust 0 word told by any U.S politician and that they will get 0 fighter jet and 31 tanks and 20 short range missiles if there will he war, during 2 years and a lot of empty talks.....empty waste of time for Ukr in reality U.S had sold them by 100% long ago ....
And we have scheduled municipal, parliament and EP elections in countries this year with U.S delaying supplies even scheduled to be paid immediately.
If we will block some next warrant letters, grants and loans plus assistance, Ukraine will be Russia till November.

Europe doesn't trust U.S for a reason and in any case will not allow to deplete stockpiles regardless what stuff will happen with Ukraine. This is realpolitik here.