RBR ***Official*** Sherdog Sanctioned Haney vs Garcia Discussion 4/20 8PM ET DAZN PPV

[Mujeriego]

oh no, i agree, it was a terrible fight, the technical skill on display was disgraceful considering how highly rated those pair are by the American media

Garcia basically won by being a few weight classes above him, and even then, he barely barely won

Love the way the guys talking about the fight adopted the Joe Rogan "THIS IS THE BEST FIGHT EVAAAA" just because a fight had a few knockdowns in it

Very poor technical fight with a poor ref who couldnt stamp his authority on the fight, all the Garcia people saying he should have had had more points for Haney holding, he should have had points deducted for turning his back constantly, yet people arent mentioning that because it doesnt suit the narrative

Jim Lampley said in his 70 years of following boxing, that fight was one of the most exciting fights, he's ever seen.

 

[Mujeriego]

it's shocking to me how few people know that if you intentionally turn your back on your opponent during the fight, the ref should interpret that as giving up. the fact that he didn't just means ryan got more slack than his fans would like to admit.

people are bitching about the ref taking the point from garcia, ryan fucking socked him with a solid punch during the break. it wasn't borderline, he wasn't already throwing when the ref called it. it was clear as day to all 3 people in there that the ref was pulling them apart and ryan threw a punch. that's not a warning, a blatant foul like that should be a point deduction every fucking time.

as for the missed knockdowns, maybe i need to watch it again, but it seemed to me that ryan was trying to push him off of himself and devon's shaky legs just gave out. if you go down from grappling in the clinch, that's not a knockdown. granted, he was falling all over himself and he was excessively clinching, so i wouldn't complain if the ref took a point from him for clinching, but i don't think he missed any actual knockdowns.

other than that, the scorecards were rightfully close. 112-112 seems too close, i agree, but this shit about devin fucking haney having the ref and the judges in his pocket is ridiculous. he isn't some superstar, he isn't influential, he isn't even popular with anyone. people act like he's some boxing kingpin, it's devin haney for fuck's sake.

Turning your back would be to fully turn and walk away. He just pulling all the way to his right.
It's legal and the tactic has been working.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Jim Lampley said in his 70 years of following boxing, that fight was one of the most exciting fights, he's ever seen.

it was a spectacle. there's no doubt about that. i think there was far too much wrestling and referee shenanigans to be a classic.

i dont think so, watching it live they looked like pushes to me, the ref was at fault for not stopping all the grappling which led to those, there were no clean shots landed to knock him down for the ones that weren't given, this isnt MMA or grappling(or at times it was)

he was batting haney around the ring like a cat with a mouse. dozens of clean shots on the temple and chin. if haney tries to grab and falls, it's still a knockdown. i didn't think garcia was leaning hard enough on haney's back to attribute the falls to garcia.

 

[BusterKeaton]

@Seano @Old Cat @MC Paul Barman


I think this fight really proved how bad compubox could be. Haney was credited with so few body shots.
were the body shots effective in this fight? probably not?

but just from a standpoint of people showing shots landed I've never seen a fight that is as good of an example of how unreliable it is.

 

[Seano]

@Seano @Old Cat @MC Paul Barman


I think this fight really proved how bad compubox could be. Haney was credited with so few body shots.
were the body shots effective in this fight? probably not?

but just from a standpoint of people showing shots landed I've never seen a fight that is as good of an example of how unreliable it is.

I don't care for compubox as the basis for an argument someone won. I thought they seemed weird all night, honestly. McComb wasn't exactly magical against Barboza but I thought he was clearly landing a lot more punches but compubox showed a close fight.

I recall in one of the Bradley/Pac fights, they credited Pac for landing something like 50 power punches in one round. Bradley would have been dead, FFS.

 

[MMALOPEZ]

 

[treelo]

imagine siting there and deciding how a fight should go based on numbers you are told by a computer system

i wouldn't even mind, all these people moaning are Garcia fans, and he won the fight on the cards

Haney won every round apart from 1 and those he was knocked down in, it seems people dont understand how to score a fight round by round anymore

 

[BusterKeaton]

I don't care for compubox as the basis for an argument someone won. I thought they seemed weird all night, honestly. McComb wasn't exactly magical against Barboza but I thought he was clearly landing a lot more punches but compubox showed a close fight.

I recall in one of the Bradley/Pac fights, they credited Pac for landing something like 50 power punches in one round. Bradley would have been dead, FFS.

I kind of look at them but it is literally 2 people pressing buttons while live. or it was maybe it's different now. clearly blocked punches have been counted and clean punches been missed or ignored. for bases of the garcia fight. it really felt to me that Haney was up too wide but then if I go for how many rounds I scored for each person I had it 7-5 haney only add knockdowns and a point off I had it even but I knew Garcia would get favoured in some of the rounds without knockdowns. plus there was two 50/50 knockdowns not counted and a point off.

So, overall I'm fine Garcia won but Haney just couldnt take the shots.

 

[GolovKing]

He walks around 137-138 pounds … why he needs to move up … he is the bigger name … bigger draw… and probably can make 130 if there is a big enough fight … so stop with the nonsense of him moving up

By the way he stopped Mario Barrios … the same guy fighting for the wbc 147 pound title next

He doesn't walk around at that weight. He had issues making 130 and he beat a weight drained Ryan anyways. You said it yourself he doesn't belong fighting at 140 and neither Ryan nor Haney fight at 135 anymore, so maybe they should stop acting like they still fight in the same weight class?

 

[Billthebutcher]

Lol@ the fix is in judge scoring 3 knockdowns as a draw.
Nothing as corrupt as a pre-paid boxing judge.

 

[Zarathustra611]

lol so now missing weight is a big advantage, make your mind up bud

Comprehension bro, try it sometime.

I know you'd like me to have said "omg his power will decrease 10-fold now if he cuts!" so that's what you posted against.

But if you read I have posted an open question pondering whether one eventuality is probably or not. If you read further you'll see the word "doubts" about the proposition.

Neither of those add up to me saying now it's a big advantage. Unbunch your panties and read more calmly, you'll have a better experience.

 

[iwannabeadored]

Fight "should have been stopped" every time Garcia turned his back too but it wasn't. Doesn't really matter at this point. Why did you quote me anyway, were you about to throw a tantrum about my score then forgot?

That 7th round there two extra knockdowns the ref didn’t count. The ref refused to seperate them for over 10 seconds, and gave no warnings to Haney, any other ref would have stopped that fight. Haney had no legs and couldn’t stay up on his feet without holding onto Ryan.

Did Ryan turn his back ? Yes he did. But Haney excessively clinched and the ref nothing sbout it

 

[Zarathustra611]

In other combat sports the action usually continues in the clinch. Haney would not have survived by just hugging after getting rocked like that in most combat sports.

The ref also didn't allow them to do any work in close or fight their way out. Ryan kinda worked his way into a few inches of space and started going to work in tight or twice while Haney was trying to hug and the ref stopped him...
We kinda got the worst of both worlds.

 

[Zarathustra611]

im not sure if people were watching the same fight as me, other than the first and the rounds with knockdowns, Garcia barely threw a punch

112-112 sounds about the correct score to me, or even giving Haney the nod slightly

Garcia certainly wasn't active enough to win a lot of those rounds. He kind of coasted a few- maybe because he wanted to conserve energy and power for the rounds he did try harder in.

The rounds he did win he came out and blitzed early usually, totally changing the tempo on Haney.

Basically to get the draw the odd ref out had to give Haney r6 and r9.

I'd have to go back and rewatch but from memory Garcia started his charge at around r6 and was dominating by the later rounds. He did coast another later round (was it r9?) so I could see maybe r9 going Haney just maybe possibly but i remember r6 Ryan turned it on.

 

[Seano]

That 7th round there two extra knockdowns the ref didn’t count. The ref refused to seperate them for over 10 seconds, and gave no warnings to Haney, any other ref would have stopped that fight. Haney had no legs and couldn’t stay up on his feet without holding onto Ryan.

Did Ryan turn his back ? Yes he did. But Haney excessively clinched and the ref nothing sbout it

Clinching is not illegal. I'm sick of people saying it is.

 

[iwannabeadored]

Clinching is not illegal. I'm sick of people saying it is.

You cant allow two fighters to stay clinched for as long as he did. Haney was double legging Ryan. That’s not legal. He couldn’t even stand

 

[MMALOPEZ]

He doesn't walk around at that weight. He had issues making 130 and he beat a weight drained Ryan anyways. You said it yourself he doesn't belong fighting at 140 and neither Ryan nor Haney fight at 135 anymore, so maybe they should stop acting like they still fight in the same weight class?

Yes sir he does … tank has transformed his physique… he hasn’t missed weight in years … more than a month ago he was walking around 138.6 and he has a fight lined up in June 15th … you are wrong … other fighters are calling him out … they want that $$$$… Haney’s dad never stops talking about tank … Ryan about having a rematch … Connor benn calling him out and Hearn always mentioning him … Matias also … shakur … everyone wants to face the cash cow

 

[Old Cat]

@Seano @Old Cat @MC Paul Barman


I think this fight really proved how bad compubox could be. Haney was credited with so few body shots.
were the body shots effective in this fight? probably not?

but just from a standpoint of people showing shots landed I've never seen a fight that is as good of an example of how unreliable it is.

I didn’t see the fight, I canceled DAZN.

But as far as Compubox goes, I don’t think they’ve been super reliable for a while now, so your assessment doesn’t surprise me.

 

[is a]

There was a moment in the fight where Ryan turned his back as a defensive measure and Haney managed to land some hard hooks to the ribs/side.

Could that be a weakness of the philly shell defense? I imagine those hooks to the side would definitely hurt.

Also Devin Haney learned the hard way that if you clinch enough times the opponent has the right to clinch back. I wonder if Devin Haney had the capability/ability to weave in/out of clinches and land counters simultaneously or if getting into the clinch really does make Haney immobile until the ref decides to intervene.

 

[BusterKeaton]

I didn’t see the fight, I canceled DAZN.

But as far as Compubox goes, I don’t think they’ve been super reliable for a while now, so your assessment doesn’t surprise me.

I believe this was dazn ppv. and didnt matter if you paid for the app or not. I dont know if I'd even say to watch this. the way less talented of the two was able to do the one thing he could do over and over again.