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Lol at getting upset at me because I like eating meat. Cry me a river, buddy.
I don't think he's getting upset, just correctly pointing out that you have a mediocre at best intellect.
Lol at getting upset at me because I like eating meat. Cry me a river, buddy.
We aren’t doing science in here we are having a philosophical discussion. The science is the basic observations being made that they display these characteristics of what we all generally consider consciousness. The science is already there that they share these qualities with us that we previously valued as something that separated us from them. That’s now debunked and we have to reexamine our values here.We have to be pedantic about science. Because if we're not, it gets overwhelmed with emotional dumbasses like this dude crying in this thread, and it all turns to shit. Being pedantic in science is good.
See my above comment about your intellect.LMAO - so now I am supporting rape, the holocaust and slavery? You people are insane..
Humans are omnivores.
I don't think he's getting upset, just correctly pointing out that you have a mediocre at best intellect.
That is what happens when you do not eat meat. You get real full of yourself, real quick.Lol at getting upset at me because I like eating meat. Cry me a river, buddy.
Nah, it's all because someone disagrees with your line of thinking. That's fine - I honestly do not care at all. I just think its funny how instead of staying on topic you get mad and start insulting someone.. says a lot about your own mindset I think.
We don't even know what consciousness is at the moment, just a million theories of it, so the statement that there's consciousness in animals is a bit of a stretch. At most you can say there's awareness of external stimuli, but that does not imply awareness of that awareness, or deeper stages of self-reflection.
What I've observed time and time again is that people complain about not feeling well, but that feeling is very often not supported by lab work or an examination by a doctor.I tried to be a vegetarian many many times over the years, but it messes with how well I function in every day life. Especially my mental state and ability to perform at my job to the best of my abilities.
well science tells you the numbers and the data, and the data doesn't really match with the philosophy. and philosophy is a wrong term anyway, what we are talking about is ethics. if consciousness is from 1 to 100 and we are at 100 and the animal is a 0.1, there's no "philosophical" debate required. again, you're just falling into the charismatic animal trap, thinking of kittens and puppies. there's no need to reexamine any values for the vast, overwhelming majority of animals.We aren’t doing science in here we are having a philosophical discussion. The science is the basic observations being made that they display these characteristics of what we all generally consider consciousness. The science is already there that they share these qualities with us that we previously valued as something that separated us from them. That’s now debunked and we have to reexamine our values here.
It’s not a contradiction though. Those choice to reduce their suffering is an improvement even if it is an imperfect solution.That's highly debatable.
Taking an animal's life for food is a bigger deal than just making them suffer. Sure, it's great when people care enough to reduce suffering by buying things like "free-range" eggs or "humane" meat. But when you think about it, if we believe these animals have the right to live their natural lives, then killing them is a way bigger issue than mistreating them.
You're stuck in a contradiction.
lmao, another whiner.The overwhelming majority of people aren't truly aware of awareness. Based on your posts in this topic and others, I can pretty much guarantee you're included in that group.
Chimpanzees eat meat when they can survive on fruit and vegetables they are highly intelligent animals.The idea that humans are naturally meant to eat meat usually comes from the fact that we can digest meat, eggs, and milk. And that's true, our bodies are set up to handle those things because we're omnivores. But that also means we can thrive on a diet that's entirely plant-based, which humans have done throughout history and even prehistory.
So just because we can eat animal products doesn't mean we have to.
Even if you accept the idea that humans naturally eat meat, that doesn't mean it's automatically right or justified.
Just because something is natural doesn't make it good or ideal.
When you think about it, taking the life of a sentient being when you don't need to is a big ethical question.
If there's no real need to do it, then the whole argument for eating meat because it's "natural" doesn't really hold up.
lmao, another whiner.
if consciousness is from 1 to 100 and we are at 100 and the animal is a 0.1
If you look into what "free-range" or "grass-fed" really means, you'll find there's a ton of wiggle room in the legal definitions, and none of it is aimed at giving animals a better life beyond what's necessary to get them to slaughter.
I'd love to live in a world where people really cared about animals, but you won't find that attitude in most farming businesses.
neither do you and it's very obvious.Nope, just pointing out that you don't know the first thing about the nature of conscious awareness.
Chimpanzees also shit in their hand and throw it, so I suppose we should do that too.Chimpanzees eat meat when they can survive on fruit and vegetables they are highly intelligent animals.
That is nice. What I have observed, with trying it multiple times over the last decade, is exactly what I wrote.What I've observed time and time again is that people complain about not feeling well, but that feeling is very often not supported by lab work or an examination by a doctor.
That is nice. What I have observed, with trying it multiple times over the last decade, is exactly what I wrote.
If given the choice between moral bankruptcy or taking care of my well-being and those I provide for, I will take the moral hit here. Nobody else is going to take care of them, so it is up to me.
neither do you and it's very obvious.
it's ok if you're intellectually closer to animals though. there's people that will fight for your right to vote.