Social Animal consciousness. Does it change your perspective?

[Blayt7hh]

This reminds me that artificial lab made meat is coming to stores in like 5 to 10 years (they can make it already)

Thats gonna be interesting

If they’re able to do it and it’s healthy for us that would be the best possible thing. I suspect it won’t be healthy, but I hope so

 

[Cole train]

If they’re able to do it and it’s healthy for us that would be the best possible thing. I suspect it won’t be healthy, but I hope so

I have this tinfoil theory that when it comes they will raise up prices for real meat so only rich can eat it while artificial will be cheap

just having to say "real" meat sounds ridiculous lol

 

[Barteh]

If they’re able to do it and it’s healthy for us that would be the best possible thing. I suspect it won’t be healthy, but I hope so

It just sounds wrong but I'm sure once it's on the market poor and younger people will start buying it in droves.

I imagine the older generations will be less likely to adapt.

 

[USA!USA!]

If they’re able to do it and it’s healthy for us that would be the best possible thing. I suspect it won’t be healthy, but I hope so

If it is as cheap as real meat and tastes the same, you'll get many people converted.

Unfortunately, things like this almost never taste like the real thing. Something will be off about it.

 

[Blayt7hh]

If it is as cheap as real meat and tastes the same, you'll get many people converted.

Unfortunately, things like this almost never taste like the real thing. Something will be off about it.

I imagine. The processes in nature are complex and hard to replicate. Not saying it can never be done but at best I’ll bet it takes a lot of trial and error before it’s right

 

[KeepingItReal]

Eating animals ≠ animal cruelty

Substantial breakthroughs may change the way we harvest and farm - which may be a good, moral thing - but I doubt it will ever actually make us as a species stop eating other animals. It's in our nature. Hell, it's in their own nature - animals eat each other. The levels and techniques might change, but it will still happen.

I don't feel bad about eating an animal as much as I feel bad about if it suffered to get to that point. Animal cruelty is never cool under any circumstance.

Eating humans does not equal human cruelty. Yeah I know Dave wanted to live, but I was hungry, so I sent him to the slaughter house. Ya boy's gotta eat something, and only human meat can satisfy that craving.

 

[KeepingItReal]

It's also highly debatable that a meatless diet is healthy for everyone.



I'm not. I think humans are superior to animals and therefore have the right by the natural order to eat what they want to in order to survive. Part of their (the animals) natural life would be succumbing to their predators (us). Doing that humanely instead of making them suffer is a noble endeavor. Killing them is not the issue - making them suffer is.

There is no such thing, you're talking about a hypothetical scenario that doesn't exist. Every being that wants to live suffers being killed.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I stopped eating octopus after learning more about them but I'm not about to become some vegan nut job.

 

[Osculater]

Nae, it is right to kill animals. The Gods demand it.

God has no chill

 

[USA!USA!]

There is no such thing, you're talking about a hypothetical scenario that doesn't exist. Every being that wants to live suffers being killed.

Absolutely false. Animals can be killed without them feeling pain or knowing they are about to be killed.

 

[Anewt]

The vitriol in this comment section against vegans is intense, and I can tell it's because you all have a guilty conscience. (Except for the two sociopaths I've identified in this.)

You can spew all the nonsense and lies you want, throw in personal attacks and insults, that's all fine by me.

At the end of the day, deep down, you know you're contributing to the suffering of sentient beings.

YOU have to live with that.

My conscience is clear.

The animal products you eat come from a living being who suffered.

Personal choice does not make an action morally justifiable.

You can do better.

I have nothing more to say in this thread.

Good luck.

I genuinely have to know.

Are you aware there's animal products in most things. Ever used a battery? Lcd screen? Had a vaccine? Vitamin d supplements? Mobile?


Yeah bud sorry to tell you, you're using a lot of animal products by choice . So have fun with that clear conscience of yours

 

[KeepingItReal]

Absolutely false. Animals can be killed without them feeling pain or knowing they are about to be killed.

Like it so happens in a slaughterhouse right? I can't tell if you're pretending you don't know how modern animal farming works, or if you know but prefer to live in a fantasy land, where animals are killed in some sort of way where they don't know they will be killed.

 

[USA!USA!]

Like it so happens in a slaughterhouse right? I can't tell if you're pretending you don't know how modern animal farming works, or if you know but prefer to live in a fantasy land, where animals are killed in some sort of way where they don't know they will be killed.

You are making up things that I never even said LOL - I didn't say it happens in every slaughterhouse. If you read more of the thread, you'd even see that I already made the point that meat production should be improved.

I was responding to you saying "Every being that wants to live suffers being killed."

 

[HereticBD]

I have this tinfoil theory that when it comes they will raise up prices for real meat so only rich can eat it while artificial will be cheap

just having to say "real" meat sounds ridiculous lol

I think the opposite. Just look at organics. It's way more expensive. Some fancy unicorn meat grown in a lab, is gonna have higher price tag that targets the same people who will pay more to buy an electric car, because it makes them feel like they're a superhero saving the world.

 

[terrapin]

Why do you think the Lord made a system where everything eats each other?

I think you need to brush up on your Genesis. A long-standing theological stance that Genesis teaches vegetarianism has always been present within Judaism and Christianity. Eating meat came as a result of sin not before it. Just like child labor became painful as a result of sin, not before it.

All that's happening with people who stop eating meat is they're figuring out the sin of it and stopping before everybody finally catches on. I think those people are ahead of their time.

But if someone were to make the contrary argument, I would counter with this-- just because you can do something doesn't mean you should or have to. And as your love grows even though it might be okay to eat that animal, you won't because your love has grown.

Why would we change now though? Because survival and thriving is possible without eating meat now that's why. I would argue that its the natural progression to stop eating meat now that our own survival does not require it.

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.".

The principal we would be discussing theologically is God's conditional will with God 's actual will. God simply must meet humanity where it is so conditionally all kinds of things are allowed, but over long-term wouldn't be as we grow spiritually and can handle a higher truth. An example of that would be divorce under Moses being allowed and Jesus ratifying that and making it harder under the new and higher covenant.

 

[terrapin]

I think the opposite. Just look at organics. It's way more expensive. Some fancy unicorn meat grown in a lab, is gonna have higher price tag that targets the same people who will pay more to buy an electric car, because it makes them feel like they're a superhero saving the world.

This is just you making things up. There's no proof at all that lab grow meat will cost more and in fact there's every expectation that it will cost less once problems of scale are solved.

That's why the freedom-loving Republicans axed it in Florida because they're afraid of the competition in the fair market. You know just being consistent with anti-government intervention tendencies LOL.

 

[HereticBD]

This is just you making things up. There's no proof at all that lab grow meat will cost more and in fact there's every expectation that it will cost less once problems of scale are solved.

That's why the freedom-loving Republicans axed it in Florida because they're afraid of the competition in the fair market. You know just being consistent with anti-government intervention tendencies LOL.

What am I making up? It's an opinion. Go talk to your alien buddies.

 

[terrapin]

What am I making up? It's an opinion. Go talk to your alien buddies.

You didn't state it as an opinion and now you're just backtracking. How about you go change it so everyone knows you're full of s***.

 

[HereticBD]

You didn't state it as an opinion

Did the "I think" part of my post confuse you? Like I said, go talk to your alien buddies, ya nutter.

 

[terrapin]

Did the "I think" part of my post confuse you? Like I said, go talk to your alien buddies, ya nutter.

Well now you know so you can change that opinion. And also I'd love to hear what you think about those Republicans trusting the free market. I guess those Republicans don't really trust the free market unless and except when it means they can dump poison into rivers and abuse workers take away water breaks.

Lab-grown meat prices expected to drop dramatically

Lab-grown meat may soon rival conventional flavors, and prices. With investment surging to $1.4 billion, it's a transformative dietary prospect.

www.newsweek.com