UFC 205 - Conor vs Alvarez - NY

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I could be wrong but aren't title challengers that are favorites undefeated in those situations? I don't think there have been a lot of instances of this but yeah
 
I know it hurts. I love Lawler, but am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong.

You can't call Robbie Lawler a "washed up brawler" when he was the reigning champion and lost his belt to Woodley. If Lawler fought once after his title loss and looked like shit, then you could argue he is a little washed up, but he only lost his belt earlier this year.
 
Yes, you are wrong.

You can't call Robbie Lawler a "washed up brawler" when he was the reigning champion and lost his belt to Woodley. If Lawler fought once after his title loss and looked like shit, then you could argue he is a little washed up, but he only lost his belt earlier this year.

Robbiedawg always claims he's gonna change but always goes back to those hyperbolic, outrageous statements. Its what makes this place so toxic.
 
Yes, you are wrong.

You can't call Robbie Lawler a "washed up brawler" when he was the reigning champion and lost his belt to Woodley. If Lawler fought once after his title loss and looked like shit, then you could argue he is a little washed up, but he only lost his belt earlier this year.
Is he not a brawler? Do you honestly think he's going to come back and beat anyone in the top 5? Too many wars in a short amount of time. I'm not even being hyperbolic here.
 
Wonderboy and Rory don't fight the same. One is a master jabber, the other is a master kicker. One is aggro with his attacks, while the other is comfortable sitting back and fighting at range and not overcommitting on anything. Rory can safely spam jabs and keep Tyron against the fence, while Wonderboy cannot spam kicks and keep Tyron against the fence (opportunity for a TD if he tried to).

I also expected Tyron's cardio and skill set to be improved in the Lawler fight, but it ended early, so we didn't get to see it. Now that he had extra time to train, I still think his cardio will be improved and he'll show some new wrinkles in his game that we haven't seen yet. Also, the stance, speed, timing, and fear of the TD is what I'm expecting Tyron to use to his advantage. When he lands one clean punch, the fight will change in various ways.

I do think Wonderboy should be favored, but I'm not sure by how much. I just believe in what Tyron has shown me thus far, and pick him to win today.

Wonderboy uses angles and has a ton more power himself than Rory though. Woodley just looks for his overhand right.

As mentioned Woodley's gas tank can't improve that much. I think he's in trouble but will admit that IF he lands one big shot the rest may not matter.
 
Natal is a tough guy to put away and Boetsch by decision is at +550 on bodog right now. Throwing some on that.

Underdogs of the card for me are Miller, Boetsch and Alvarez. Not sure how I feel about Romero, but I might put a small amount on him.
 
Robbiedawg always claims he's gonna change but always goes back to those hyperbolic, outrageous statements. Its what makes this place so toxic.

I agree it's a bold statement before seeing Lawler fight again, but it isn't a huge stretch to think his chin is deteriorating. He's been hurt in most of his title fights and has had a ton of wars. I think his point is that Woodley isn't some knock out artist and WB should be able to avoid overhand rights until he gasses.
 
Robbiedawg always claims he's gonna change but always goes back to those hyperbolic, outrageous statements. Its what makes this place so toxic.
Did me calling a fighter washed up actually upset you that much? No one can come back from so many wars AND a KO loss in such a short period of time. Plus he's getting old too. He's not a robot ffs.
 
I know it hurts. I love Lawler, but am I wrong?

So very wrong.

Robbie Lawler beats Ellenberger, Brown, Hendricks, MacDonald, and Condit in a row. Then he loses 1 fight and he's washed up?

Where do thoughts like these come from?
 
So very wrong.

Robbie Lawler beats Ellenberger, Brown, Hendricks, MacDonald, and Condit in a row. Then he loses 1 fight and he's washed up?

Where do thoughts like these come from?
All wars where he took a ridiculous amount of damage. Now a KO loss. Again, he's not a robot. Stop being delusional.
 
I didnt compare him to the thiago that beat GSP

I said GSP ws the only fighter to best Thiago on the feet (who was similar size) but the reason for that was TD threat

No one Thiagos own size has ever beaten him on the feet

Miller is Thiagos own size = ..............

i agree that a 170 prime alves, if he could make the weight, would become a lw champ. i just dont think that version exist anymore nor will ever exist and should not be used for capping purposes. hes an old 33 not even factoring in usada. he could very well lose to a faded miller tonight who would have zero chance against thiago five years ago
 
So very wrong.

Robbie Lawler beats Ellenberger, Brown, Hendricks, MacDonald, and Condit in a row. Then he loses 1 fight and he's washed up?

Where do thoughts like these come from?

iirc, i believe that robbie has absorbed over 500 head punches in the last two years
 
Did me calling a fighter washed up actually upset you that much? No one can come back from so many wars AND a KO loss in such a short period of time. Plus he's getting old too. He's not a robot ffs.

We've got this sick thing on Sherdog (especially in the heavies) to completely undermine a fighters past wins just so they can call em "shit" or what ever variant they want.

With Conor it was "Aldo was broken before the fight started" and "Nate was a fringe top 10". This after Aldo was top 3 P4P and Nate was ranked in the top 5 at LW.

You're doing it with Woodley right now bro. This isn't about Lawler but you undermining Woodley.

We shouldn't do that here, we're here to make money and look at things logically. Hyperbolic and ridiculous statements aren't needed here.
 
All wars where he took a ridiculous amount of damage. Now a KO loss. Again, he's not a robot. Stop being delusional.

You said that Woodley KO'd a washed up Robbie Lawler...

That implies not only is he washed up now, but he was washed up then....

So you implied that the Champion on a 5 fight win streak is washed up. I love it man. Im not saying he is anywhere at the peak of his game, but he's not washed up. And calling him that before seeing another fight makes you look ridiculous. You're just reaching.
 
We've got this sick thing on Sherdog (especially in the heavies) to complete undermine a fighters past wins just so they can call em "shit" or what ever variant they want.

With Conor it was "Aldo was broken before the fight started" and "Nate was a fringe top 10". This after Aldo was top 3 P4P and Nate was ranked in the top 5 at LW.

You're doing it with Woodley right now bro. This isn't about Lawler but you undermining Woodley.

We shouldn't do that here, we're here to make money and look at things logically. Hyperbolic and ridiculous statements aren't needed here.
What's ridiculous or hyperbolic about stating facts? Go and tweet Dan Hardy the same because he said all Woodley has is wrestling and a right overhand too. That's all I've said besides he's only finished Lawler (who's an aging competitor coming off multiple brutal wars) and Koscheck. I'm just stating facts.
 
Yes, you are wrong.

You can't call Robbie Lawler a "washed up brawler" when he was the reigning champion and lost his belt to Woodley. If Lawler fought once after his title loss and looked like shit, then you could argue he is a little washed up, but he only lost his belt earlier this year.

at 34 years of age, roy jones jr was the pfp best fighter in the world

at 35 years of age, roy jones jr was done
 
You said that Woodley KO'd a washed up Robbie Lawler...

That implies not only is he washed up now, but he was washed up then....

So you implied that the Champion on a 5 fight win streak is washed up. I love it man. Im not saying he is anywhere at the peak of his game, but he's not washed up. And calling him that before seeing another fight makes you look ridiculous. You're just reaching.
You're acting like he was running through people like Anderson Silva in his prime. Every single one of his title defenses were close wars where he took ridiculous amounts of damage.
 
What's ridiculous or hyperbolic about stating facts? Go and tweet Dan Hardy the same because he said all Woodley has is wrestling and a right overhand too. That's all I've said besides he's only finished Lawler (who's an aging competitor coming off multiple brutal wars) and Koscheck. I'm just stating facts.

You claim that Robbie being washed up is fact? {<jordan}
 
What's ridiculous or hyperbolic about stating facts? Go and tweet Dan Hardy the same because he said all Woodley has is wrestling and a right overhand too. That's all I've said besides he's only finished Lawler (who's an aging competitor coming off multiple brutal wars) and Koscheck. I'm just stating facts.

It's a FACT that Robbie was washed up as the champion on a 5 fight win streak? Awesome. Do you know what a fact is?
 
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