UFC FOX 22 pbp/discussion

Oh BatBoy, WTF do you know...like we are supposed to take advice from a guy who still only a purple belt LOL Good to see you're still alive brother!

As for Jouban, I kinda agree. I think on a good day he can beat top 10-15 opponents but I have a lot of trouble seeing him consistently get his hand right against the upper echelon of the division, especially anything under top 12 . I wouldn't mind saying to him fight someone like Leon Edwards to get a really good taste of where he is. Edwards also happens to be one of three flight went straight and doesn't have an opponent lined up. Another fighter that is ranked for lower than him, but is also on a three fight win streak oh his own and who currently has the wind at their back is Vicente Luque. I think a Luque vs. Jouban tilt would be a banger of a scrap and would give the winner of the fight a 4-fight win streak and well positioned to make some noise.
Lol I have been a brown belt for like 2 years now I just never bothered to change it. I think I'd be a black belt by now had I not change careers (not looking to be in the ufc) around a year & a half ago. I haven't trained more then twice in one week since which is pretty crazy.

But either way you know who your money making BJJ savant is :D
 
According to bloodyelbow's Victor Rodriguez in his winners and losers article, Hector Sandoval is a loser on the night for "not being willing to engage" (fucking lol. Did he miss the first 2 rounds?), and Luis Da Silva is neutral cause, even though he got wrecked and looked like garbage, he "got subbed by a submission guy so no surprise there"

I hope this bum lurks here, cause the consistent level of shit in those articles is astonishing. Do none of his colleagues have a discussion with him about these consistently horrific opinions? lol

I pretty much think the exact opposite on Sandoval. I gave Serrano a good chance because I figured Sandoval would be in the pocket a lot. He basically controlled the range throughout. Winning on the outside out of range and then entering clinches when Serrano wasn't expecting it. Rarely did he stay in the pocket.
 
I pretty much think the exact opposite on Sandoval. I gave Serrano a good chance because I figured Sandoval would be in the pocket a lot. He basically controlled the range throughout. Winning on the outside out of range and then entering clinches when Serrano wasn't expecting it. Rarely did he stay in the pocket.
I guess if you don't go full "just bang bro" you're not engaging
 
It was frustrating as shit to watch, similar with Jouban vs. Perry. I didn't think those fights were super entertaining, but it was the exact gameplan to use. Most of the fault goes on Serrano and Perry for not being able to induce the exchanges.
 
I'll say one thing. I hope Mkess ans JB agree on fights from now on
 
thought the same thing but like another regular suggested the take down sealed it in the judges eyes.
Aliev did absolutely nothing in that round except get one takedown. He had zero ground and pound. MMA judging severely overweights takedowns.
 
let's let it go. the toxin has been removed.

i want a more positive enviroment that people want to come to to discuss the fights.

i was too lenient for too long. sorry to all the regulars who felt alienated by him.

let's drop the subject.
New Robbie account incoming
 
He's welcomed grappling in almost every fight. He's overconfident.
People here were arguing with me, saying that Gall's grappling is overrated. I told them I have competed on the same mats as Gall and it's clear he is a beast. They replied by saying Grapplers Quest and NAGA are overrated.

One guy even said that Marin was a better grappler than Gall. As a grappler who has won a few tournaments, I think I would submit Marin. On the other hand, I think Gall would fuck me up badly.

@mkess101 knows what's up.
 
People here were arguing with me, saying that Gall's grappling is overrated. I told them I have competed on the same mats as Gall and it's clear he is a beast. They replied by saying Grapplers Quest and NAGA are overrated.

One guy even said that Marin was a better grappler than Gall. As a grappler who has won a few tournaments, I think I would submit Marin. On the other hand, I think Gall would fuck me up badly.

@mkess101 knows what's up.

Gall is a brown belt technically, but people who have competed know how little that actually means. He'd wreck most black belts his size in actual competition. If you'd sub Marin (or even have a reasonable chance) you're way better than I ever was (and I'm a LOT bigger than Marin--6'2" and 210). So you know better even than I do how good Gall is.
 
According to bloodyelbow's Victor Rodriguez in his winners and losers article, Hector Sandoval is a loser on the night for "not being willing to engage" (fucking lol. Did he miss the first 2 rounds?), and Luis Da Silva is neutral cause, even though he got wrecked and looked like garbage, he "got subbed by a submission guy so no surprise there"

I hope this bum lurks here, cause the consistent level of shit in those articles is astonishing. Do none of his colleagues have a discussion with him about these consistently horrific opinions? lol

LOL Frankenstein getting subbed by Craig isn't embarrassing. I said it here, Craig is slick on the mat.

What's embarrassing is how awful his standup defense is and how piss poor his gas tank is. The guy was completely done like 4 minutes into the fight. Hell Craig was somewhat gassed and still subbed him.

"Neutral". Wow. He was a -225 favorite FFS. I liked Craig in the fight and bet him itd, but even I expected more from de Silva than that.
 
There is a reason Gall didn't try one In the second, and it was Sages footwork. He was cutting angles left and right (albeit with his chin in the air) and keeping hands at his hips for underhooks.

The grappling was not as one sided as you expected lol you thought Gall would dust Sage and Sage reversed position in round 1

He won but cmon. The fight ended with something no one could've predicted with Galls Track record
Come on bro you're a good poster on here but that just isn't right. The fight went exactly as many of us predicted on the official thread. It's what happens in mma when a serious grappler (esp with a size advantage) comes up against a decent striker with zero tdd and naive fight IQ. Lamb to the slaughter....it's just a matter of time. No idea why some people were so big on Sage for this one, he's like bambi on the ground.
 
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Come on bro you're a good poster on here but that just isn't right. The fight went exactly as many of predicted on the official thread. It's what happens in mma when a serious grappler (esp with a size advantage) comes up against a decent striker with zero tdd and naive fight IQ. Lamb to the slaughter....it's just a matter of time. No idea why some people were so big on Sage for this one, he's like bambi on the ground.

I was on Sage cause I believed he would be able to light Gall up on the feet and avoid the takedowns. I figured Galls takedown game still is green, and Sages athleticism would let him avoid the ground. I was aware it was a big risk, but took Sage as a dog.
 
I was on Sage cause I believed he would be able to light Gall up on the feet and avoid the takedowns. I figured Galls takedown game still is green, and Sages athleticism would let him avoid the ground. I was aware it was a big risk, but took Sage as a dog.
But Sage have himself initiated the clinch and takedowns in all his previous fights even though he's had a clear advantage on the feet. He even said in the interviews before "I'm a jits guy too!"
 
Come on bro you're a good poster on here but that just isn't right. The fight went exactly as many of us predicted on the official thread. It's what happens in mma when a serious grappler (esp with a size advantage) comes up against a decent striker with zero tdd and naive fight IQ. Lamb to the slaughter....it's just a matter of time. No idea why some people were so big on Sage for this one, he's like bambi on the ground.
Show me one person who thought Sage would reverse Gall and one person who thought Gall would drop Sage with a right hand
 
Show me one person who thought Sage would reverse Gall and one person who thought Gall would drop Sage with a right hand
Irrelevant. We said he was going to be able to get his hands on Sage/get him down easily and dominate him on the ground, which is exactly what was happening. I'm sure there'd have been other opportunities for Gall to sub him deeper into the fight....or just coast to a 3 round decision.
 
Show me one person who thought Sage would reverse Gall and one person who thought Gall would drop Sage with a right hand

I actually mentioned that we can't assume Gall's standup is bad. He did drop Jackson quickly. His wrestling isn't really that bad either.

Your issue with capping that fight was that you assumed the worst every time with Gall. It was based on "he doesn't have the experience". You ignored the fact that on the ground, you can tell by his movements that he's very solid even if it was against worst competition. You could also tell that he's fairly athletic, unlike some other BJJ guys that fail to transition well to MMA. You kept going back to guys in BJJ that do not translate well to MMA, but there are a lot of examples that do. In fact, when watching lower level fights (and Sage is lower level comp still), a decent grappling background almost always swings me into favoring that person. The reason is because most fights at a lower level will end up on the ground. It's happened in all of Sage's fights now because he does not have the skill, experience, gameplan, or whatever to keep it standing.

The fact that he does reverse may look impressive, but it's actually one of his downfalls. He executes those things due to his athleticism, but in the end, he thinks he's better than he is on the ground. He goes there way too often.

IMO, Gall looked like a justified moderate (or above) favorite in there. He got the clinch quick, takedown quick, passed quick, etc. He then defended when Sage got on top. He then gets Sage back down again before the end of the round. Round 2 really saw Sage's only significant offense, one punch. Gall then drops Sage and subs him.

So literally, Sage only has one really significant punch in the fight which is overshadowed by a better punch by Gall. Gall controlled the distance best getting the clinch, won the wrestling exchanges, and then won on the ground. It's pretty safe to say Gall was a solid play.
 
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