UFC 223 - Ferguson vs. Nurmagomedov

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Okay but you realize if Khabib finishes Tony I'm gonna make bank right? I'll lose my ML bet on Ferg but I have way more on NOT Khabib decision. So if Khabib just smashes Ferg and Tony doesn't survive I still am up huge on this fight.

I'm looking at it objectively. As tough as Tony is, he's not gonna be content to lay there while Kabbib holds hikm down. Tony is a risk taker. He will either get stuck in a really bad spot by taking risks, or he'll get back to his feet or possibly put Khabib in jeopardy.

And if Khabib has to work really hard for 3 rounds my guess is that Tony's cardio takes over late.

Bottom line: I'd rather pay the -175 I paid to cover every outcome besides Khabib Dec (so Khabib itd, Tony itd, or Tony dec) than pay -235 on Khabib's ML. No brainer to me.

Yeah I feel ya man it's smart and I like your style
But... seems to me you've covered the variable of picking the winner, and I don't wanna jinx your bet but I can totally see Khabib winning a decision my initial notes I made on this fight were
Khabib wins first 3 heavy
Tony wins last two
Khabib decision
Based on Tony's toughness and Khabibs 'weight cut'

Like I say I like your style but sometimes just go with the easy money?
 
Yeah I feel ya man it's smart and I like your style
But... seems to me you've covered the variable of picking the winner, and I don't wanna jinx your bet but I can totally see Khabib winning a decision my initial notes I made on this fight were
Khabib wins first 3 heavy
Tony wins last two
Khabib decision
Based on Tony's toughness and Khabibs 'weight cut'

Like I say I like your style but sometimes just go with the easy money?

I just try to find value.

If you look at Tony and how he has reacted to being put on his back since the Castillo fight, he does NOT lay there and try to tie up his opponent in his rubber guard very long. He takes chances.

25 minutes is a LONG time for something really significant not to happen. And even If it goes the distance, I still have a chance if it's a competitive fight where Khabib wins rds 1 and 2, rd 3 is close, and Tony takes over in 4 and 5.

I don't think it's "easy money" at all betting on Khabib, and I damn sure am not gonna pay MORE juice for the 2 outcomes (Khabib itd or dec) than I am for my 3 outcomes (Khabib itd, Tony itd or dec)
 
I just try to find value.

If you look at Tony and how he has reacted to being put on his back since the Castillo fight, he does NOT lay there and try to tie up his opponent in his rubber guard very long. He takes chances.

25 minutes is a LONG time for something really significant not to happen. And even If it goes the distance, I still have a chance if it's a competitive fight where Khabib wins rds 1 and 2, rd 3 is close, and Tony takes over in 4 and 5.

I don't think it's "easy money" at all betting on Khabib, and I damn sure am not gonna pay MORE juice for the 2 outcomes (Khabib itd or dec) than I am for my 3 outcomes (Khabib itd, Tony itd or dec)

Truly hope it works for you
Hope we both get what we want and the ref saves Tony in round 2
 
Truly hope it works for you
Hope we both get what we want and the ref saves Tony in round 2

LOL. Certainly possible. Can't underrate Khabibs control and gnp.
 
I can not disagree with mkess101, someone will get finished in this fight. It was a miracle that Khabib didnt finish Barbosa and he is legit af. And we already saw how Tony reacts when he is on the bottom, he taked the risk vs Lee and he won and i think he will take the risk again.
 
i havent bet a side yet but i think i love fight goes to decision at +120.

Interesting angle. Felder is a strong lean for me pre tape. I'll have more to say after I get to that. I like the play though it's hard to see either of them getting tko'd.
 
Interesting angle. Felder is a strong lean for me pre tape. I'll have more to say after I get to that. I like the play though it's hard to see either of them getting tko'd.
AI isn't the most prolific takedown guy but that's a wrinkle that Felder has shown a sub par response to in the past. IDK if AI is going to try and take Felder down, but if you told me that he would, i think the line is accurately set and there's no value on either fighter. With that being said, both guys have finishes against guys that aren't known for their durability so I believe that's why there's value on the over. Both are tough as nails and neither really has a strong submission game
 
I can not disagree with mkess101, someone will get finished in this fight. It was a miracle that Khabib didnt finish Barbosa and he is legit af. And we already saw how Tony reacts when he is on the bottom, he taked the risk vs Lee and he won and i think he will take the risk again.

I can't find it now of course, but I read a quote from Tony after the Castillo fight that was something like (I'm paraphrasing) "Fans don't pay to see one guy lay on another guy. They want action. I think I beat Danny, did more damage off my back than he did on top. But that's the last time I play that game. Nobody is gonna lay on me like that again "

The guy truly has the "kill or be killed" mindset, for better or for worse.
 
Anybody like the Irish dragon as a dog?

Pre-tape I thought I was going to like Felder as the dog, but looking at the fight more closely, I think Iaquinta is going to cause him some problems.

For one, Felder's volume is an issue. His boxing leaves something to be desired and outside of the occasional 1-2 he throws little in the way of combinations. Instead, he throws everything into single strikes, spinning attacks, etc. trying to end the fight. His wide hooks often fall short of their target. Meanwhile Iaquinta delivers straight punches in combination. Pearson and even Burkman before he gassed had a lot of success in boxing exchanges with Felder and I believe Iaquinta is a step up from those guys at the point in their careers when they fought Felder.

I also think Al may be able to mix in takedowns to secure close rounds. He has a decent double leg and while he wasn't able to complete any of them, he repeatedly went for a single in the Masvidal fight. Felder's takedown defense is shakey and I think Al could look to exploit that if he needs to. Felder has some devastating ground and pound, but he doesn't have the offensive wrestling to get the fight there. Al has very good takedown defense and he's also likely good enough off his back to survive if he does end up there.

The big concerns with Iaquinta are obviously the injuries and the fact that he's only had a few minutes of cage time in the last 3 years, which makes it tough to play him as a favorite. But I see Al's faster strikes landing first and I think his footwork is good enough to avoid Felder's loaded up attacks. Both guys are very durable with excellent cardio. I think this one goes the distance more often than not. I love Iaquinta decision at +350 and I actually put a full unit on it.
 
I can't find it now of course, but I read a quote from Tony after the Castillo fight that was something like (I'm paraphrasing) "Fans don't pay to see one guy lay on another guy. They want action. I think I beat Danny, did more damage off my back than he did on top. But that's the last time I play that game. Nobody is gonna lay on me like that again "

The guy truly has the "kill or be killed" mindset, for better or for worse.

I'm not putting much stock into that fight as far as the matchup with Khabib goes. Castillo and Khabib are very different in their grappling styles and Ferguson ended up on his back in that fight mostly by his own doing, especially in the first two rounds. That was the very definition of lay and pray by Castillo. He literally did almost nothing but lay in Ferg's guard while Ferg threw elbows and sub attempts at him. Khabib will be worlds more aggressive if and when he takes Ferg down.
 
Pre-tape I thought I was going to like Felder as the dog, but looking at the fight more closely, I think Iaquinta is going to cause him some problems.

For one, Felder's volume is an issue. His boxing leaves something to be desired and outside of the occasional 1-2 he throws little in the way of combinations. Instead, he throws everything into single strikes, spinning attacks, etc. trying to end the fight. His wide hooks often fall short of their target. Meanwhile Iaquinta delivers straight punches in combination. Pearson and even Burkman before he gassed had a lot of success in boxing exchanges with Felder and I believe Iaquinta is a step up from those guys at the point in their careers when they fought Felder.

I also think Al may be able to mix in takedowns to secure close rounds. He has a decent double leg and while he wasn't able to complete any of them, he repeatedly went for a single in the Masvidal fight. Felder's takedown defense is shakey and I think Al could look to exploit that if he needs to. Felder has some devastating ground and pound, but he doesn't have the offensive wrestling to get the fight there. Al has very good takedown defense and he's also likely good enough off his back to survive if he does end up there.

The big concerns with Iaquinta are obviously the injuries and the fact that he's only had a few minutes of cage time in the last 3 years, which makes it tough to play him as a favorite. But I see Al's faster strikes landing first and I think his footwork is good enough to avoid Felder's loaded up attacks. Both guys are very durable with excellent cardio. I think this one goes the distance more often than not. I love Iaquinta decision at +350 and I actually put a full unit on it.
Agree w you. Maybe AI DEC is a better play than FGTD, I might split it half and half now
 
I'm not putting much stock into that fight as far as the matchup with Khabib goes. Castillo and Khabib are very different in their grappling styles and Ferguson ended up on his back in that fight mostly by his own doing, especially in the first two rounds. That was the very definition of lay and pray by Castillo. He literally did almost nothing but lay in Ferg's guard while Ferg threw elbows and sub attempts at him. Khabib will be worlds more aggressive if and when he takes Ferg down.

I totally agree. I am EXTREMELY confident we will see little to no lay n pray in this fight. Now, if Khabib's gas tank holds up but he can't finish Tony due to Tony's durability then so be it. I will take a bath. But in a fight that should have a ton of action, I am more than comfortable with how I played it.
 
Ferg/Khabib DNGD dropped all the way to -145.

Value there imo.
 
how fuccin weird is it that we're getting general props on fights on the fight pass prelims of ufc 223, yet no money lines (or props) on the main card fights of the card in 5 days. I know london is a shitty fight pass card but still, super weird. #postkalilkisdimes
 
My main concern with Felder was always his inactivity. But it seems like he's completely fixed that over his last few fights.

Way too many questions surrounding Raging Al imo. I'm happy to play Felder at dog odds. Has a great chin so I'm confident he can get the better of it if Al tries to brawl (which he sometimes will).

Al hitting TD's to secure rounds is a concern, but not enough to sway me from Felder as a dog.
 
Re: Moicano vs Kattar

Kattar's bread and butter is his jab, which he snaps off beautifully with no telegraph. He was able to pick Burgos apart with it for the first round plus of their fight until Burgos adjusted by countering with his overhand right, inside leg kicks and left hooks to the body. Kattar also possesses a powerful straight right, which setup the finish for him against Burgos and had Fili hurt at the end of round 2. I'm also impressed with his fight IQ. The first round of the Fili fight was a toss up until Kattar took advantage of a slip, landed a takedown, and followed up with some gnp to secure the round. Similarly, round 2 was also very close until Kattar turned it up in the final ten seconds, landing some of the most signficant strikes of the fight. He's also shown strong TDD (he stays balanced and rarely over extends on his punches), a solid chin and excellent cardio.

Moicano is extremely well rounded. He's faced four very different stylistic matchups in his UFC fights and he's been able to adapt his gameplan nicely to each of them. He has fast hands, he mixes up combinations to the head/body and often finishes with a kick. He's obviously a credentialed grappler and from the little we've seen of on him on the ground in the UFC, he looks to be very slick there. Outside of the ill advised shot in round 3 against Ortega, he's been able to mix in some nice reactive takedowns, particularly in the Stephens fight. One thing to keep in mind regarding the end of the Ortega fight is that Moicano's nose was clearly broken about a minute into round 1. I think the combination of dealing with that, Ortega's relentless pressure and ridiculous chin caused Moicano to make a bad decision there.

Kattar does have a few weaknesses that I think Moicano can capitalize on. For one, Kattar is vunerable to leg kicks and Moicano possesses excellent inside and outside low kicks from both stances. Stephens mobility was clearly comprised in the third round of his fight with Moicano. Against Kattar, Fili was having good success with leg kicks in the first round and they were also a big part of what Burgos was able to do in round two. Going to back to his pre-UFC days, Gabriel Baino battered Kattar's legs late in the fight, knocking him down once and forcing him to switch stances at times. Secondly, When Kattar has been backed up, he isn't nearly as effective. With his in and out approach he needs room to work and when he's been pressured back to the cage his opponents have been able to take advantage. I'd like to see Moicano take the opposite approach to what he did in the Stephens fight, be aggressive here and put Kattar on his back foot.

Overall, I think Kattar is being given a little bit too much respect and I feel Moicano should be a small favorite. You have to be impressed with Kattar's first two UFC fights, but they were both very competitive contests and Moicano is a step up from both Fili and Burgos in my opinion. I also think that Moicano has faced the higher level of competition both inside and outside the UFC. I think he has the tools to give Kattar problems and he does enough here to win a close decision.
At first I thought that Moicano is unbettable in his return after first career loss, but I’m starting to like him as underdog. Kattar should be much simpler opponent with less unknown qualities than Ortega. Having fought pretty much veteran level competition since his pro debut, I think he must be a masterful game planner, excelent at evaluating his limits as fighter and very good at picking stylistically winnable fights for himself. Ortega is such a wild card, that I can’t hold that loss too much against Moicano.
 
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