UFC 236 Holloway vs Poirier 2

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
Where are you from?
What don’t you understand and I’m form Boston, you say my post is bad and I’m missing something. Eh don’t you explain
 
What don’t you understand and I’m form Boston, you say my post is bad and I’m missing something. Eh don’t you explain
You jump in and throw shade but don’t read the conversation before it?
 
What don’t you understand and I’m form Boston

your postings seem so random to me it's like you are throwing the dice to decide what you are writing next.
It just makes no sense.
 
Not really true. Every time Millender was taken down in his last two fights, it occurred when he came forward and threw strikes. He has a problem with recovery and balance, but when an opponent shoots from range with no set-up, he defends fine.



And yet, Millender defeated 3 of those 4 guys. Clearly, the simple act of taking Millender down is not the end-all, be-all in beating him.

More relevantly, while Alves, Griffin, and Bahadurzada might have slightly worse wrestling than Muhammad, they're also far more dangerous on the feet, with far more powerful, technical punches. You might be surprised to see Muhammad have the same level of success as those previous fighters, or even less, simply because Millender doesn't have to worry about being hurt by his punches.

I can understand betting Muhammad at plus odds, but at plus odds the other way, I'm happy going with Millender.

Cant be arsed rechecking his last two fights to confirm that, but Alves and Griffin took him down without having to shoot reactively. I don't recall him defending any takedowns barely in the UFC. Even an exhausted Siyar took him down right at the end of r3. Griffin, Siyar and Alves offer very little threat on the mat. I know Belal lacks finishes but every fight he is taking people down and taking their backs. Millender has shown no ability to defend when someone has his back and unless he gets a quick KO it's highly likely Belal is on his back at some point early and Millender goes into panic mode.
 
Alves isn't much of an offensive wrestler, especially nowadays, but Griffin and Bahadurzada? Their wrestling is decent and they have beaten and controlled UFC-caliber opposition with it. They used some effective set-ups against Millender, too.

Calling them "poor" is an exaggeration unless you're claiming that there are about 4 decent wrestlers at 170 and 2 good ones.



Examples? Against Neal, for instance, he simply shot in from long distance with zero set-up.



You can argue the same thing about Muhammad's approach towards Neal. (A fight where a good deal of the forum was betting on Muhammad because of he was going to beat Neal with his wrestling)

You're also oversimplifying what happened in all 3 of those fights.



What evidence is there of him being "completely gassed" considering he continually threw powerful strikes and tried to grapple? Bahadurzada was no more "gassed" than Muhammaed was "gassed" against Neal in round 3. Rather, both guys were stunned and hurt at times.

Siyar and Griffin are strikers whom rarely wrestle. No need to go down a rabbit hole.

Belal mixed up his striking with takedowns very nicely against similarily framed opponents in Means and Brown. I bet Neal against Belal as his athleticism, speed and boxing is very very good. He showed a great sprawl from what I remember and hurt Belal badly with his hands. We have plenty of proof that Millender has nowhere near his tdd, hand speed, or footwork.

Not really sure how to debate your last point regarding Siyar being gassed, it was fairly noticeable to me. Anyone else can feel free to chime in if I am off base, not going to rewatch it again. (EDIT) I see Sham posted above saying Siyar was indeed exhausted.
 
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I think a lot of people are overreacting to Millender's last loss. I remembered I was one of the few on Zaleski against him. I had to make sure I wasn't going crazy and checked the thread on that event. Did so many people have a high opinion of him that just dropped after that quick of a fight? Zaleski is far more dangerous and a finisher than Belal. I think the biggest factor here is that you have a decision fighter facing a guy who typically does not lose decisions. Millender is hard to get comfortable against, especially with a guy like Belal who is very hittable. Shooting from a mile out against Millender is dangerous as well.

I also think we need to put into perspective what lines people are betting. I have Millender at +130. I can't really knock people playing the other side at the same price. It's a close fight.
 
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@barrygood1 you should not have openly criticised your beloved president so much on this forum.
It might just be karma getting back at you.
Make a few genuine Trump-friendly posts and you can rise from the ashes like a phoenix and live up to your potential again

 
I think a lot of people are overreacting to Millender's last loss. I remembered I was one of the few on Zaleski against him. I had to make sure I wasn't going crazy and checked the thread on that event. Did so many people have a high opinion of him that just dropped after that quick of a fight? Zaleski is far more dangerous and a finisher than Belal. I think the biggest factor here is that you have a decision fighter facing a guy who typically does not lose decisions. Millender is hard to get comfortable against, especially with a guy like Belal who is very hittable. Shooting from a mile out against Millender is dangerous as well.

I also think we need to put into perspective what lines people are betting. I have Millender at +130. I can't really knock people playing the other side at the same price. It's a close fight.

I have never been high on Millender. Only bet him against Siyar since I assumed he wouldn't look to wrestle and Millender would pick his wide "boxing" apart. I bet Alves, Griffin and Zaleski against him and have been waiting to fade him against a decent wrestler. I didn't get + odds since opening limits on dimes are ridiculous, but maxed him at -125 on DSI and -135 on BOL, for roughly a 3.33u stake.
 
Anyone confident in any picks? Honestly having trouble finding value in this card. Took a decent amount on poirier just cause he has a punchers chance in a likely 3-5 round fight with max. He could clip him, but even then I think Max's distance control is good enough to save him in most scenarios. Hoping Dustin's confidence is validated by some specific Max tendencies that he thinks can be exploited.
 
We're still waiting for Jones and Khabib to lose.

Sure. If they keep fighting eventually they will lose. Everyone gets old. Everyone has an off night sometime. Everyone fights with injuries they are nursing at times. Anybody can get clipped with a lucky shot are caught in a sub. It is just the fight game.

Rousey was supposed to be a world beater and retire undefeated until she got stopped.

GSP was supposed to ride off into the sunset until Serra clipped him.

I love Jones and think he is a great fighter. However, I think someone of similar skill that fought him with pressure could really give him trouble. We saw him in some trouble vs. Machida when Machida rushed him. I just think in the moment people forget how many hype trains get derailed.
DJ was very close to getting subbed by Elliot.
I am not taking anything away from all these GOATs but if you keep fighting you will get caught somewhere. The margin of error is so small and the gap in skill is very small between a GOAT and a really good fighter.
 
You don't really need to be dangerous to dominate Millender on the mat. He's been taken down by every UFC opponent and was only able to get up vs a severely concussed and gassed Siyar. With such a quick turnaround I don't expect improvements.

Word. He is so clueless on the ground. You can't build a BJJ game in 1 month.
 
What don’t you understand and I’m form Boston, you say my post is bad and I’m missing something. Eh don’t you explain
A Bostonite? Shouldve known as much, this reads as if it comes form a 60 iq potato slagger who likes to trade concussions with the boys for fun

Look, your post was bad because Its nonsensical;
Grant is like 35 and has shown little to no evolution in his fights, hes a low volume counter striker with power
Hes not gonna show wild improvement and everyone here knows this except you apparently
 
A Bostonite? Shouldve known as much, this reads as if it comes form a 60 iq potato slagger who likes to trade concussions with the boys for fun

Look, your post was bad because Its nonsensical;
Grant is like 35 and has shown little to no evolution in his fights, hes a low volume counter striker with power
Hes not gonna show wild improvement and everyone here knows this except you apparently
Why don’t you go fuck yourself because you have prob never stepped foot into combat sports. You can disagree with my opinion but do not need to attack my intelligence or my City. This a forum talking about mma not a English literature class you fucking donkey.
 
Why don’t you go fuck yourself because you have prob never stepped foot into combat sports. You can disagree with my opinion but do not need to attack my intelligence or my City. This a forum talking about mma not a English literature class you fucking donkey.
Well it was preferably a halfway intellectual mma forum until you came here and tried to show off the fact that you train at a planet fitness or whatever
 
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